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Now you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God,

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this did not Abraham.

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Is my mic on on here?

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There we go.

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Are we on now?

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All right, cool.

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The title of my sermon this morning is Church Fathers.

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I want to preach on the subject of the church fathers.

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I want to talk about what is the right position to have when it comes to the church fathers

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and why I don't recommend Christians to reference them for matters of faith and practice.

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Why we as Christians, as Bible-believing Christians, should not reference the church fathers in

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order to substantiate our claims about the Bible or our practices in church.

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Now what are church fathers exactly?

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What does that refer to?

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Well, church fathers is a historical term used to describe influential quote-unquote

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bishops for the first eight centuries after the apostolic era.

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These men are basically responsible for writing sermons, books, and dissertations

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refuting heresies and false doctrines for those first couple centuries after the canonization

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of the Bible and are often esteemed by many Christians today as being great men of the

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faith and they will often look towards these church fathers in order to confirm that what

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they believe is actually true or not.

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But folks, the Bible says to prove all things, hold fast that which is good.

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And if we want to know what we are supposed to believe as Christians, we got to go to

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the Bible, right, not to some historical figure that existed a thousand years ago, hundreds

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of years ago.

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Yeah, are there people back in the day that believed right on salvation, believed right

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on baptism, believed right on church practices?

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Of course, but you know what?

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We don't need to reference them in order to confirm what we believe is true.

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Why?

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Because we have the Bible.

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We have the Word of God.

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The Bible tells us that the Word of God is able to instruct us in ways of righteousness.

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The Bible says that the Word of God can show us what God expects of us, what the standard

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of the church should be.

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It teaches us how to win souls to Christ, what the doctrine of justification is, what the

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doctrine of the Trinity is.

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And quite frankly, it doesn't matter if we came 1500 years after the fact, we still

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have the timeless Word of God to instruct us in these ways, okay?

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Now who are these church fathers?

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Well, you have Clement of Rome, okay?

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Clement of Rome is pretty much the earliest church father that most people would address

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and talk about.

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You have Ignatius of Antioch.

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You have Polycarp.

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These are basically some of the earliest church fathers that people reference.

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You have Justin Martyr, Uranius, Tertullian, Origen, Cyprian.

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These are second and third century church fathers.

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And then you have later church fathers such as Augustine, Jerome, and Chrysostome,

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okay?

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These are all men that both Protestants and Catholics will claim, okay?

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So this is constant battle within mainstream Christianity as far as who belongs to who.

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People will say, well, he was actually a Bible-believing Christian.

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He actually agreed with us Protestants.

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And then the Catholics will say, no, because if you look at some of his writings, it

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very much resembles a lot of what the Catholic Church teaches.

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And then here I come and says, who cares?

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What these guys believe?

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Who cares what side they were on?

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And quite frankly, you know, I'm not really interested in the writings of people 1500

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years ago, because 1500 years from now, people are going to go to a Barnes and Noble, right?

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And in order to find out who is, who was the big deal, who was the big shot back in

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the 1500 years ago, and I guarantee you none of us are going to be on those shelves.

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It's going to be, you know, Joe Olstein.

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It's going to be all these heretics and false prophets, because those are the

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ones that people are promoting the most, okay?

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But luckily we have the Word of God, and we don't need to address or reference these

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Church Fathers in order to see, well, am I really interpreting this correctly?

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Is this really correct?

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You know, instead of going to the Church Fathers, let's go to God the Father, amen?

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Instead of going to some dude from hundreds of years ago, why don't we just stick

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to the Holy Spirit that can show us all things?

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You know, that's why the Bible tells us that he gave us the Holy Spirit,

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which is the Spirit of Truth, to enlighten us to the truth and what the Bible says

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about these things.

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So it's essentially a title used to express the idea of spiritual ancestry.

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And this is basically what the Pharisees were doing in John chapter 8.

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We have Abraham to our Father.

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It's not like, well, hey, this is what the Bible says.

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This is what the Old Testament is addressing.

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This is what the Old Testament states.

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No, they're constantly going towards tradition, and then they're using their

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so-called ancestry to Abraham in order to lend veracity to who they are as the

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Pharisees and the spiritual leaders of that day.

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But of course, we know that they were not of Abraham.

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And quite frankly, even if there was a Church Father that agreed exactly like

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us, we should still disregard it.

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Why?

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Because it becomes too fluid at that point.

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You can probably point to certain things in their writings that disagree

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with us doctrinally.

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So people can magnify those issues, magnify those differences, and say,

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well, yeah, but look what they taught here about baptism.

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You know, yeah, he said justification is by faith alone, but look what he says

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about baptism.

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Look how he uses the term priest.

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Look how he uses the term about the church services or whatever it may be.

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He seems to lean more towards being a Catholic.

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That's why it is a fool's errand to reference these Church Fathers.

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Because at the end of the day, there were fallible men, whether saved

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or unsaved, there were fallible men.

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And quite frankly, you know, I'd rather just go to the infallible word of God

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because it's not going to contradict itself.

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The Bible does not contradict itself, right?

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All of Scripture is given by the inspiration of God.

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It's profitable for doctrine for proof of correction and instruction in righteousness.

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And you know, I'm not saying that every single Church Father was unsaved

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or a heretic.

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What I'm saying is, I don't care, okay?

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And what I'm saying is not worth referencing them

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when we already have a superior resource known as the word of God.

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They are inferior resources to address and use to substantiate our claims, okay?

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Because they're fallible men.

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And at the end of the day, you know, I'm not for apostolic succession.

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That's not my thing. That's not our church's thing.

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You say, what? You're not for apostolic succession.

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Yeah, I'm for biblical succession.

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Meaning that if there's a church out there that lines up with the Bible,

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then that church basically can trace its spiritual roots back to the 1st century AD churches.

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Because it lines up with the word of God, okay?

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And so Catholics and Protestants alike, you know, they like these teachers

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because they believe that they help them to shape and instruct

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succeeding generations in proper church practices and beliefs.

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And so they're often referenced by them, okay?

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And there's this constant battle between them as far as who belongs to who.

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In my opinion, they both can have them.

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Okay, I'm not interested in claiming one over the other.

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I'm not really interested in that at all.

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And keep in mind, okay?

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People over here arguing about church fathers this and church fathers that.

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How about the fact that Jesus said, call no man your father, right?

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How about the fact that Matthew 23 verse 9 says,

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call no man your father upon the earth for one is your father, which is in heaven.

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So let's just start at the basics to say,

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we shouldn't be calling spiritual leaders father.

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You say, what do you call your dad?

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I said spiritual leaders father.

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It's obviously appropriate to call your biological father or father,

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although most of us just call them dad, okay?

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Matthew 23 in its proper context is referring to spiritual leaders,

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those who call themselves pastors, bishops, reverend, whatever may be,

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any type of church leadership position should not adopt the term father

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because Jesus Christ strictly forbids it.

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And you know, Catholics will look at something like that and say,

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you know, what do you call your dad?

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You know, fathers use so many times throughout the New Testament,

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all in reference to that, okay?

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Now, is there instances in the New Testament where spiritually

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someone addresses someone as being kind of like a father to someone else

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because they're discipling them?

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Absolutely.

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But there's never an instance in the New Testament

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where someone in the church calls a church leader father, okay?

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You know, though you have 10,000 instructors in Christ,

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yet you have not many fathers.

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That's what the Apostle Paul said.

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And what he's referring to is the fact is that he begot them through the gospel.

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He essentially spiritually birthed them by preaching the gospel to them,

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getting them saved.

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And so he's kind of like a spiritual father unto them.

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Yet you don't have any instance in the New Testament

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where any of Paul's converts call Paul father.

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Father Paul.

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You know, hey, Father Paul, what do you think about that?

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Doesn't exist.

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Why?

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Because it's not a biblical term to use for spiritual leaders, okay?

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And so, you know, I'm against using that term,

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but just for the sake of the sermon,

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so you know what I'm talking about,

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I'm going to be calling them the church fathers

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because that's what Catholics and Protestants address them as.

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They're not my church father.

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They're not, I don't view them as my spiritual ancestors at all.

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And so, you know, I'm just using it for the sake of the sermon here.

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So we as a church do not uphold apostolic succession.

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We believe in biblical succession.

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Look for a church that sides with the Bible.

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Look for a church that lines up with the doctrines of the Bible.

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It doesn't matter how old that church is.

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And look, you can find a church today that's 100 years old

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and a lot of them are just heretical.

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They're completely heretical.

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You know, you could even find the first Baptist church somewhere

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that's been around for 100 plus years.

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It doesn't give them credibility, okay?

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They just had more time to apostasize and believe false doctrine.

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I'm not saying all of them are like that

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because there are definitely churches out there

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that are the first Baptist church

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that remain loyal to doctrine and to the Bible.

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I'm just saying, you know, having longevity

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doesn't equal authenticity, doesn't equal credibility

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because you just have more time to get into heresy.

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Okay, go to Mark chapter seven if you would.

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Mark chapter seven.

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Mark chapter seven.

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I'm going to give you some reasons

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why we as Christians should not reference the church fathers.

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Okay, this morning I want to talk about that.

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Reason number one is because of the fact

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that it undermines the authority of the Bible.

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Referencing church fathers often undermines,

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subverts the authority of the scriptures.

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Even though people claim, oh no,

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we believe that the Bible is the word of God.

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We believe it's the final authority

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but referencing the church fathers kind of cements that.

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It helps to validate that.

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It helps to confirm that.

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Well, you know what?

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I know what I believe according to the Bible

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and I don't need any outside source

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to tell me if that's true or not.

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Now make no mistake about it.

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There are certain things and parameters

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that God has used in order to teach us people.

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Obviously he uses local New Testament churches, right?

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He uses the Holy Spirit.

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We have the word of God.

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We have older men in the faith.

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But at the end of the day,

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God commands all of us to search the scriptures daily

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to see if these things are so.

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It's not like, well, we'll just take this person's word for it.

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I'm just going to believe what this person says,

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just blindly follow this individual

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because they're so popular,

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because they're so esteemed in mainstream Christianity.

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No, I got to see what they're saying

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and yet they may have some credibility

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but at the end of the day,

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I need to open up the Bible and say,

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well, is that what the Bible actually says though?

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And if we go, there's like,

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that's a contradiction of the Bible

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then we no longer follow that individual.

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Why? Because the Bible is the final authority.

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The problem with church history

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and referencing church fathers

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is that people claim to believe in the Bible

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but what they actually do

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is they uphold the teachings of the church fathers

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slightly more than the Bible itself.

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In other words, the Bible can clearly say something like,

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call no man father.

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Oh, but because you have so many church fathers

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that use this in their writings,

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in their dissertations,

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then we must be misinterpreting that verse.

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What is that?

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That's called subverting the Word of God.

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Because look, folks,

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you don't need to go to the original Greek

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to know what Jesus meant by that.

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It's not hard.

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If you know English, you know what it says.

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All right.

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Now, if you're ESL, I get it,

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but most of the time,

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people can read Matthew chapter 23

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and understand, okay,

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I know exactly what it means by this.

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I don't need to go to the original language.

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I don't need to know what the Bible says about that

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or excuse me, what some commentary says about that,

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what some lexicon states in the original language.

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I can go to the Word of God

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and see what Jesus clearly said,

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and I'm going to stick with that.

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Whereas what people do,

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they'll read Matthew 23.

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Well, let's see what the church fathers say.

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Well, that's interesting.

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The church fathers are constantly calling the bishops

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father.

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They're constantly giving this commentary

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about this, that, and the other,

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and then it's like,

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well, maybe I'm just misinterpreting that.

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Well, now you have officially

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subverted the Word of God, okay?

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Look at Mark 7 verse 5, if you would.

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It says,

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Is that what it says?

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So what is he saying?

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You know, it sounds like the Pharisees

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who claim to be spiritual descendants of Abraham

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and even physical descendants

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are saying, why are you contrary,

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not to the Word of God,

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but to tradition, right?

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He says in verse 6,

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He answered and sent unto them,

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Well hath desire prophesied of you hypocrites,

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as it is written,

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This people honoreth me with their lips,

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but their heart is far from you.

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How be it in vain they do worship me,

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teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

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For laying aside the commandment of God,

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ye hold the tradition of men

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as the washing of pots and cups

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and many others such like things you do.

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So notice, according to verse 8,

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because they uphold the traditions,

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it causes them to lay aside the commandments of God.

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And what traditions are we referring to?

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The traditions of the elders.

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In other words, because they esteem these elders,

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it's causing them to undermine the commandments of God.

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And this is what we see today.

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You can have a portion of scripture

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that clearly addresses salvation,

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clearly addresses the Trinity,

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clearly addresses what baptism is all about,

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but because you have these elders,

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these people from 1500 years ago

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saying something different,

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then people just go with that.

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Well, there are more spiritual back then.

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Well, they just knew the Lord better back then.

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Well, they just have more credibility back then.

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And so we're just misinterpreting that.

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That's why we need to go to this.

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And look, folks, you can go to,

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let's just talk about Protestant churches.

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You have Protestants out here,

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and these Protestants are basically Catholic zero.

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It's just diacathic is what it is.

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You know, you'll have these Protestants out there.

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I've seen videos of Protestants online,

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and if you hit the mute button,

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you think it's a Catholic.

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You say, why?

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Not because of how they sound,

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but because of how they look.

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They got the little collar thing going on,

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like the Catholic priest,

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how many of you know what I'm talking about?

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I mean, just Lutherans that do that stuff.

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And you're kind of like,

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why are they dressing like that?

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Why do they look like that?

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And then if you unmute them,

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they talk like Catholics.

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They talk like Catholics,

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they look like Catholics,

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and they practice like Catholics as well.

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And I'm going to explain why that isn't just a bit.

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But these people come up with all kinds of weird ideas

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like head coverings, for example.

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You know, they'll talk about,

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oh, women are to wear head coverings,

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you know, the head doilies over the head.

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And when you demonstrate what the Bible actually says

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about that and how a head covering

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simply referring to a woman's long hair,

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you know what they do?

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They go to the church fathers.

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They go to church history.

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Well, here's the thing though,

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so you're trying to disregard 1500 years of church history?

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Yeah, because it contradicts the Bible.

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Yes.

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You know, people try to shame you for that.

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Oh, so what, you know more than 1500 years of church history?

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Yeah, the part that contradicts the Bible, yes.

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Because it's crazy how you can have

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what the Bible clearly says about head coverings

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in the Word of God

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and still decide to put on some doily

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on your head thereafter.

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You understand what I'm saying?

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But all of a sudden, because you have

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all of these prominent church leaders,

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prominent figures of yesteryear,

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just promoting head coverings and doilies on the head,

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we just got to completely disregard

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what the Bible explicitly says,

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which is that it's referring to long hair.

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You understand what I'm saying?

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What is that?

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That's laying aside the commandment of God

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in order to hold to the tradition of men, okay?

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And I've literally gotten to conversations

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with people about this.

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You know, I went preaching in Texas earlier this year

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and, you know, a guy came up afterwards

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and he's just like, hey, I love your stuff, man, it's great.

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Love the stuff on the Jews, it's great.

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But how come no one in here is wearing a head covering?

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And automatically, you know, you just know.

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You're like, oh, he's one of those.

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I'm like, because the Bible doesn't teach it.

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What do you mean?

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It says it, right?

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So we're going through the scriptures

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and then I'm showing him, according to the first Corinthians,

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that it's referring to long hair on women.

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And then he's like, so you're just

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going to disregard church history?

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Like, whoa, how come we just moved on from the Bible?

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Hold on a second.

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I just showed you from the Bible,

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you completely disregarded it,

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and then now you just want to talk

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about church history in order to substantiate your claim.

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Why is that?

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Oh, that's right, because it undermines the Bible.

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That's why.

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So someone can claim to believe in the Bible,

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but let me just tell you something.

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Once they just completely reject

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the explicit teachings of Scripture,

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just mark it down.

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They don't believe in the Bible.

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They uphold the traditions of the elders.

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Okay?

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It says in verse 9,

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he said unto them,

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full well ye reject the commandment of God,

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that ye may keep your own tradition.

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For Moses said,

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honor thy father and thy mother,

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and whoso curseseth father or mother,

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let him die the death.

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But ye say, if a man shall say to his father or mother,

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it is Corbett, that is to say a gift.

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But whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me,

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he shall be free.

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And ye suffer him no more

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to do ought for his mother,

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for his father or his mother,

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making the word of God of none effect

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through your tradition,

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which ye have delivered

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and many such like things ye do.

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So he's saying, look,

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you have this clear commandment in the Bible

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to honor your parents,

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but then you find all these loopholes

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not that are found in the Bible,

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that you made up according to your tradition.

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And what happens,

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you make the word of God

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of none effect through your tradition.

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Okay?

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Meaning that the Bible can just explicitly say something,

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but as long as you have a group of people agreeing

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on the interpretation of that,

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that that's not what it actually means,

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then you can just make the Bible say whatever you want.

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You can make the Bible say that long hair

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actually means doilies on the head.

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Now, I'm going to get into this in just a bit,

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but, you know,

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one of the big things regarding church fathers

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that everyone disagrees on,

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and this is why, again,

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it's not worth addressing church fathers

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is this matter of baptism.

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Yup.

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That's a huge thing,

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because you will have these church fathers

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that claim to believe in salvation by grace through faith,

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they claim to believe in the right salvation,

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but they're baptizing babies.

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What's up with that?

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I don't want to, you know,

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get ahead of myself,

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but come on,

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if you're having people baptize babies

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or justifying the baptism of babies,

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talking about baptism,

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you know, entertaining the idea of baptizing babies,

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that should be disregarded.

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That's like basic stuff.

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Super basic.

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Go with me.

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If you went to 1 John chapter 2,

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1 John 2,

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while you're turning them,

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I'm going to read to you from Titus chapter 3 verse 9,

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the Bible reads,

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but avoid foolish questions

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and genealogies

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and contentions

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and strivings about the law

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for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Listen to this.

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A man that is a heretic

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after the first and second admonition reject,

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knowing that he that is such is subverted

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and sinneth

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being condemned of himself,

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the Bible says.

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And this applies to church fathers.

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You read about a church father,

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he's saying right things,

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but then he says some really bad stuff.

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Oh, I'm done with this guy.

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Oh, done.

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Oh, not interested.

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Oh, he baptizes babies.

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I'm not interested.

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Oh, he's encouraging others

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to baptize babies, not interested.

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Oh, I hear Catholic stuff in here,

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not interested.

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Oh, but if you read Catholic stuff,

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doesn't that mean that maybe the Catholic Church

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was the first church?

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No, they're just some of the first

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heretical churches that existed.

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Okay.

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Well, how do you know that?

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Well, how about the fact

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that the Bible doesn't talk about Catholicism?

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Right.

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Yeah, but church history.

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Here's my church history.

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You know, it starts off somewhere,

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maybe in Matthew chapter 15 or 16.

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You can see it explicitly laid out

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in the book of Acts.

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That's what we need right there.

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Yeah, but we were talking about something else though.

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Something outside of the Bible.

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Why do you need something outside of the Bible?

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When you have it clearly,

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God spent so much time

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putting a Bible for you together,

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66 books to instruct you

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in the ways of righteousness

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and how to administrate

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a local New Testament church.

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Why do we need some outside source

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in order to validate that?

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Look at 1 John 2, 27.

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Now, this is my favorite verse to use

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when Catholics say,

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you think you have the authority

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to interpret the Bible.

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Who gave you the authority

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to interpret the Bible?

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What gives you the authority

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to rightly divide the word of truth like that?

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Well, 1 John 2, 27.

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But the anointing which he have received of him

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abideth in you

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and yeet me not

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that any man teach you.

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Who gave you the,

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apparently the Holy Spirit that dwells within me

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gives me the authority.

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Okay, and again,

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you quote this to a Catholic

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and they'll say, well, you know,

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so you think you're interpreting correctly?

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Why don't you just address

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what the Bible actually says?

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Okay, he's saying here

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that the Holy Spirit

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which is the anointing

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is referring to the Holy Spirit

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that dwells within us.

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He abides in us.

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He leads us into truth

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and we need not that any man teach us.

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We don't need a centralized institution

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in this world in Rome

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to teach us what the Bible actually says.

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He says, but as the same anointing

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teacheth you of all things

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and is truth and is no lie

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and even as it hath taught you

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ye shall abide in him.

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So according to the Bible,

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the Holy Spirit of God is sufficient

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to lead us into all truth.

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Now, obviously,

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there are instances

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where, you know,

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you have a babe in Christ

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and they can't understand

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everything of the Bible

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which is why God provides

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local New Testament churches.

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And he gave some apostles

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and some prophets

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and some pastors

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and some evangelists

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and some teachers

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for the perfecting of the saints

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for the work of the ministry,

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for the edifying of the body of Christ.

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Later on, he says

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that we henceforth be no more children

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tossed to and fro

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carried about with every wind of doctrine.

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You say, well, isn't that an institution?

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Yes, but they have to align, though.

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Meaning what the pastor is saying

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from the pulpit

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has to align

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with the Holy Spirit

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showing you from the Bible.

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If they don't,

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either something wrong with you

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or something wrong with me.

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But here's the great thing,

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you know,

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let's just say,

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let's just pretend

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there's something wrong with me

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and you're like,

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well, this is contradicting

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what the Bible actually says.

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Then go somewhere else.

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And guess what?

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Someone can go somewhere else

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and you're still a safe person.

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There's no teaching

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that if you leave this church,

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you lose your salvation.

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There's no teaching

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that if you leave the one true church,

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there's no salvation

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outside of the one true church.

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If you don't participate

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in the Mass here,

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if you don't participate

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in what's going on here,

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then you're not really saved.

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That's heresy.

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The Bible tells us

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that he gives us

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these spiritual leaders

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to teach us all these things

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and that we can prove all things

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whole fast without which is good,

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according to the Holy Spirit

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that abides within us.

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Isaiah chapter 8,

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you don't have to turn there.

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Go to Acts 20, if you would.

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Acts chapter 20.

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Isaiah chapter 8 in verse 27,

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excuse me,

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verse 20 says,

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to the law and to the testimony,

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if they speak not according

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to this word,

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it is because there is no light

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in them, the Bible says.

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If they're not speaking

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according to this word,

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according to the Bible,

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it is because there is no light in them.

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And keep in mind,

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no prophecy of the scripture

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is given of any private interpretation.

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Holy men of God speak

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as they're removed by the Holy Ghost.

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We can clearly see

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what the Bible tells us

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and judge it for ourselves.

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So why is it important for us

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not to reference church fathers?

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Well, number one,

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because it causes people

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to undermine the Bible.

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People have this idea

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that if a group of people

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all agree together

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on one doctrine,

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it must be true

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regardless if the Bible

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explicitly teaches the opposite.

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And that's not right, my friends.

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That is not right.

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It's not right

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to just go with the multitude

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and just because

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a bunch of people online

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believe it.

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And look,

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definitely don't just go

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with the multitude

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just because people on Instagram,

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everyone on Instagram believes it.

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Oh, there's so many people

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that believe this doctrine

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or it must be true.

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That's not the way you test things.

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You test it based

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upon the word of God.

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And look, folks,

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at the end of the day,

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there's instances

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where few people

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believe the actual truth

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on things.

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And you might be the minority.

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Doesn't mean you're wrong.

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It means everyone else is wrong.

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So how do you know?

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Well, how about this?

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Broad is the way

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that leads to destruction.

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Many there be which

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go in their app.

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The vast majority of people

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in this world

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are going to believe

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in false gospel.

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And so it's important

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for us to recognize this

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that the Bible needs

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to remain the supreme authority

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in our personal lives

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and in the life of our church.

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You're in Acts 20.

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Point number two,

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as to why we should not

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reference church fathers

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is that it implies,

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listen to this,

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it implies proximity

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to the apostles

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equals accuracy

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in doctrine

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and in practice.

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So people are like,

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yeah, but you know,

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these guys were there

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from the start though.

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Like these church fathers,

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they're from 95 AD,

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100 AD, 200,

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even 300 AD.

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And here you are

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in your little

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storefront office building

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Pastor Bob in his little

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office building

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little proddy

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you know,

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and you think you have authority,

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these guys were actually there.

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What are they implying?

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They're implying that

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because they're so close

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to the inception

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of New Testament churches

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that automatically equals accuracy.

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That automatically equals authority.

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That automatically means

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don't question what they're saying

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because what they're saying

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is actually true.

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They were there.

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Okay.

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Now what are they also implying?

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They're implying that,

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you know,

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someone can be there

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and it doesn't matter

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if they go apostate

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because many of them did,

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by the way.

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Churches went apostate,

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Christians went apostate,

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people in the,

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even before the Bible was finished,

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people went apostate.

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You know what that's showing me?

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It doesn't matter

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how close someone is

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to the apostles.

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They can become heretics too.

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Look at Acts 20 verse 27.

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For I have not shun

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to declare unto you

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all the counsel of God

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and I want you to notice this

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in verse 28.

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Take heed therefore

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unto yourselves

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and to all the flock

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over the which the Holy Ghost

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had made you overseers

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to feed the church of God

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which he had purchased

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with his own blood.

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So what is the Apostle Paul

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doing here?

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He's actually addressing

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a group of pastors

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from Ephesus

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because Ephesus had many elders.

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Elders is a pastor.

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These are terms

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that are used interchangeably.

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You have elder,

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you have pastor,

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you have bishop.

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These are all used to describe

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the shepherd.

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And he's basically addressing them,

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he's instructing them

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because he's not going to see them anymore.

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And he's telling them,

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hey, you need to make sure

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that you take heed unto yourselves

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and what does it mean by that?

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He's basically referring to the fact

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that they need to make sure

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that they're giving attendance

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to reading to excertation

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to doctrine.

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That they're giving heed

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to spiritual matters

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and that they're feeding

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the flock of God.

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In other words,

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they need to make sure

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that they're nourishing

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up their congregation

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in the Word of God.

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Why?

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Why is that?

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Verse 29.

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For I know this

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that after my departing

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shall grievous wolves

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enter in among you

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not sparing the flock.

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So he says,

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look, you need to make sure

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you educate the churches,

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teach them doctrine,

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feed the flock of God,

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show them what the Bible says.

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Why?

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Because when I'm gone,

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false prophets are going to come here

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and they're going to try

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to devour and eat up

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the congregation of God.

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How?

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By teaching them false doctrine.

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By misleading them.

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By teaching for doctrines

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the commandments of men.

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You know, the Apostle Paul said

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in 1 Timothy chapter 4,

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then in the latter times,

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you know, the spirit speaketh

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expressly that in the latter times

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some shall depart from the faith

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giving heed to seducing spirits

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and doctrines of devils.

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So he's like,

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I know that when I'm gone,

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once the leader's gone,

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it's going to,

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there's going to be a vacuum

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and you're going to have

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false prophets coming into

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the congregations

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trying to mislead people.

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Here's the kicker.

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Verse 30.

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Also of your own selves

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shall men arise

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speaking perverse things

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to draw away disciples after them.

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Isn't that interesting?

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So he says there,

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not only will people seek to infiltrate,

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let me just tell you,

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people have already infiltrated.

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In fact,

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you're not only going to have people

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coming out from the outside,

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you're going to have people being

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raised up from the inside

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who apostasize

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to draw away disciples after them.

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And look folks,

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you know,

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I don't believe for a second

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that the Roman Catholic Church

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was the first church

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that Jesus Christ established

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for a second.

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And this is why I'm not

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a reformer.

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This is why I'm not a Protestant.

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Why?

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Because they believe

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the vast majority of them believe

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that the Roman Catholic Church

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started off good

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and then deviated from the faith.

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It's like, what?

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Like they're good at one point.

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They started off right.

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It was the true church at one point

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but now they got into

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Mariology and all those stuff.

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They were not the true church.

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They were never good.

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Now here's my theory on it

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and I can't be dogmatic about it

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but here's my theory

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based upon what the Bible teaches

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is that you have

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people who went apostate

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from local biblical New Testament churches

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and then essentially

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branched off to becoming

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the Roman Catholic Church.

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During that particular time

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you have the Roman pagan gods

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and they are basically intermingling with them

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using the same statues,

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using the same temples

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just pretty much amalgamating Christianity

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with paganism

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and that's why you have Roman Catholicism.

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These are people who are coming up

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out of the congregations

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which is why you have Rome.

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There is a church at Rome.

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This is why people,

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the church fathers,

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are writing to Corinth.

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They're writing to these churches

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that existed during the first century AD

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because these are people who have apostatized.

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Oh, what gives you the right

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to say that these people want apostate?

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Because what they write

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and what they say is contrary

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to this right here.

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This is the ultimate letter.

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You're like, what about this letter?

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Ultimate letter right here.

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This is the standard.

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So he specifically says

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grievous wolves will enter in

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and look, God forbid,

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but it might happen to our church one day.

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And when I say one day,

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I don't mean in the near future.

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If the Lord tarries,

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let's just say a hundred years from now,

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it's very possible

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that First Works Baptist Church

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can become an apostate church.

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So how do you know that?

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So how about Ephesus?

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So how about a Smyrna?

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So how about a Corinth?

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How about a lot of the churches?

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Why? Because people come from the outside,

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people are raised up from the inside,

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people apostatized,

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they teach false doctrine

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and lead the church into heresy.

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Proximity to the apostles

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does not mean

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that they're accurate in everything.

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It doesn't equal accuracy in doctrine

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and in practice.

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Turn with me if you would

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to Ephesians chapter two.

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Go to Ephesians chapter two.

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Ephesians chapter two.

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Forgive me if I speak fast,

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but it's because I'm passionate about this.

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I'm angry about this.

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And I think this should be

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important to Christians.

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And we need to get back to

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making sure that we

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reference the Word of God first.

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And disregard everything else,

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especially if it contradicts

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the Word of God.

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Second Thessalonians two,

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one says,

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Now we beseech your brethren

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by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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You're in Ephesians two.

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And by our gathering together unto him,

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that ye be not soon shaken

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in mine or be troubled

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neither by spirit nor by word.

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Listen to this.

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Nor by letter as from us

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as that the day of Christ is at hand.

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So the apostle Paul specifically

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saying if you get a letter from us,

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you know,

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sign the apostle Paul.

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Sign the disciple of the apostle Paul.

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If it contradicts what I've previously taught,

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disregard it.

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Just because I was friends

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with someone doesn't mean anything.

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And look, I get it.

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There's instances where

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someone is referenced

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and you know,

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people are like,

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Oh, you're just going to disregard this guy.

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This guy was a disciple of John.

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This guy was a disciple

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of the apostle John.

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But then you look into it and it's like,

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this guy heard a sermon from John.

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Like he might have heard him in person,

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but they probably weren't friends.

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It's just like 100 years later

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someone comes out and they're like,

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Oh, there's this writing.

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You know, there's this comment.

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There's this video.

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And it's a guy who was a follower

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of wild olive tree.

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He followed him on Instagram.

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They're super close.

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You know, and while the olive tree

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even liked one of his memes,

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they must have been like this.

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You know what I mean?

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So this guy must be true or something.

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Proximity doesn't equal accuracy.

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Okay.

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You know, and you know,

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sometimes we like a post

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because it's funny.

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But then later on you actually click on the

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click on the account and they're like,

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Oh, dang, this guy's a heretic.

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I didn't realize that.

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You know, because you just,

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you just doom scrolling, you know,

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just doom scroll and then you see something funny.

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I've accidentally liked a Catholic post,

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believe it or not,

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because it was a funny meme.

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And I was just like,

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I could went back and I'm like,

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Whoa, this is scary.

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Like, I can't believe,

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I can't believe I did this.

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Did you felt dirt?

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I took a shower after,

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you know, it's just like,

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you just don't feel right.

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But it's the same thing over,

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you know, back then,

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Oh, this person heard this John preach

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or something like that,

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or he followed John.

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He was one of the people

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who went to the church

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and automatically they thought,

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Oh, proximity must be true.

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Must be accurate.

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Not true.

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Not true at all.

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Now, how should we judge these things?

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Look at Ephesians two verse 19.

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It says,

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Now there for a year,

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no more strangers and foreigners,

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but fellow citizens

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with the saints and of the household of God

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and are built upon the foundation

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of the apostles and prophets,

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Jesus Christ himself

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being the chief cornerstone.

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So when the Bible talks about

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the foundation of the apostles and prophets,

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it's not the rapture or anything

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taking place really.

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It's a train.

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Okay.

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They're just unloading.

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When it talks about the foundation

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of the apostles and prophets,

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there's two ways to interpret

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the interpret what this means.

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The first interpretation could mean

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that this is talking about the fact that

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the apostles laid a doctrinal foundation

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for New Testament churches, right?

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They basically went to the churches.

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This is how we're supposed to do things.

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They laid the foundation,

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taught them how to start churches,

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and so forth.

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And there you have it,

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which is a good interpretation.

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That would be a valid explanation of this.

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Another explanation,

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and that would lead more towards this one,

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would be that the foundation

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of the apostles and prophets

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is referring to Jesus Christ

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because he is the foundation.

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First Corinthians chapter three,

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for other foundation can no man lay

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than that which is laid,

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which is Jesus Christ.

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In other words,

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if you are a Christian,

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or if you claim to be a Christian,

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you better make sure you have

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the right salvation at the foundation.

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Salvation by grace through faith.

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If you don't,

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anything you build upon it

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is completely faulty.

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It does not matter.

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It does not count in the eyes of God

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because you got to make sure

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you have the right foundation,

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which is Jesus Christ.

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That is a valid interpretation of this

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because he says the foundation

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of the apostles and the prophets,

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the prophets referring to the Old Testament,

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they were all built upon

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the foundation of their faith in Christ.

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Understand?

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So Jesus Christ is the foundation

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for salvation.

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Everyone agree?

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He's the foundation

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for everything else

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and needs to be built upon

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the right salvation,

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the right gospel,

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the right doctrine of justification.

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But then it says this,

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Jesus Christ himself

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being the chief cornerstone.

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Now what does that refer to?

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A cornerstone

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is the first stone that is laid

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that essentially offers

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the pattern for every other stone

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that comes thereafter.

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Okay?

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So Jesus is not only the foundation

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for salvation,

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he's also the one

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that we're supposed to reference

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thereafter on how we build

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upon that foundation.

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Okay?

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So if there's a stone

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that's a little off,

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we look at it and we're like,

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oh, this doesn't match up

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the cornerstone.

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Do it again.

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Every single stone

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that is laid thereafter

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upon this foundation

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that claims to be laid

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upon the foundation of Christ

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needs to be examined

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in light of the cornerstone,

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meaning does it contradict

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Jesus Christ

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and his writings and the Bible?

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Right?

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So in other words,

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you know, if we look at someone

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who claims to be built

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on the foundation of Jesus,

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okay, given.

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Now what is he building?

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Let's look at the building,

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not the physical building.

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Talk about the doctrinal building,

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the practical building thereafter.

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Let's see what they're building.

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If it doesn't match up

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with the cornerstone,

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it needs to be disregarded.

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Completely disregarded.

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Looks like a pyramid

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needs to be disregarded.

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Looks like a temple,

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a Mayan temple,

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needs to go.

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Oh, but they claim to be built

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on the foundation.

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Yeah, but they're not following

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the chief cornerstone though.

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Because Jesus Christ,

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he says here

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that we're built upon

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that foundation of salvation,

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but also the chief cornerstone.

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We need to make sure

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that everything aligns up

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with the Bible

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because Jesus is the Word of God.

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Okay?

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It says,

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in whom all the building

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fitly framed together

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groweth unto an holy temple

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in the Lord

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in whom ye

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also are built together

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for an habitation of God

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through the Spirit.

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What's the point?

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You know,

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referencing church fathers

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is a fool's errand

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because many of the church

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fathers don't align

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with the cornerstone.

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You look at what they read.

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Oh yeah, justification by faith.

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Okay, check.

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Hold on a second.

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Is this baptized babies?

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Ain't nothing about that

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in the Bible.

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This building needs to be

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disregarded.

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You know how old

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this building is?

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I don't care about your cathedral.

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That doesn't,

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doesn't, I'm not impressed

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by buildings.

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I'm not impressed by

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you know, the outward adorning

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of the sepulcher

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that looks beautiful

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on the outside

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but within are full

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of dead men's bones.

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I'm not interested in that.

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I'm interested

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if the building

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actually lines up

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with the cornerstone.

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Does it line up

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with what the Word of God

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teaches?

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And this is how

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we're supposed

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to judge things, my friends.

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Don't judge it

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based upon popularity.

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Don't judge it

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based upon how many,

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how many sermons

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and how many books

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and how many dissertations,

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how much,

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you know,

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acclamation they receive

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from mainstream Christianity,

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we need to judge it

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based upon the cornerstone.

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Does it match up

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with what the Bible

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actually says?

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And you know what,

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people seem to forget

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that just because

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something is close

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to the first century AD,

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automatically that means

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that they can't go apostate.

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Remember in Revelation 2,

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Jesus is like

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threatening the church

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at Ephesus.

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He's like,

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repent or I'll

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take away your candlestick.

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This is before the Bible

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was even finished.

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He's already threatening

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churches and saying,

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if you don't fix this,

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I'm going to remove

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your candlestick.

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And basically,

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they're not going

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to be a church anymore.

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And you know,

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eventually it's possible

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that like Ephesus

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did repent

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and they got it right.

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But let me just tell you

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right now,

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that candlestick

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eventually was removed.

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Why?

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Because you can go over

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there right now.

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That's not a biblical church.

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You can go to Ephesus

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and see the church at Ephesus

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and you know,

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these people who claim

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that you know,

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this is the

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original church of Ephesus

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in Asia Minor,

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what you see in the Bible.

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But it doesn't match up

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with the cornerstone

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so it needs to be disregarded.

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And look folks,

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that's why it's important

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for us not to emphasize

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relics.

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Oh, but the relic though,

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this is where

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baby Jesus was born.

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That's a hole

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that some Jews

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cut out in the wall

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in order to full

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dumb Christians

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into thinking that's

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where Jesus was born

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to make some money.

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That's all it is.

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And I'm not saying

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all the biblical sites

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there are not the legitimate ones

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that you visit.

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But let me just tell you,

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if a Jew is telling you that,

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you're just kind of like,

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I don't know.

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This is a splinter

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of the original cross.

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It's just like,

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I don't know.

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How many of those

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you've given out?

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This is the original

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holy water.

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Did you say holy?

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Okay, yeah, I'm done.

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It doesn't fit the cornerstone.

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This thing is holy water.

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You know,

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oh man,

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this is the original building.

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Who cares?

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The building

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holds no supernatural capability.

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You come in,

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especially this building,

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nothing supernatural

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about this physical building here.

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That which is supernatural

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is sitting in the pews,

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amen?

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You know,

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that which is supernatural

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is the natural

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that has been given,

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thus supernatural,

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which is the new man.

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This building

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doesn't have the new man.

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Okay, there is no new man

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in this building.

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It's a physical building

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where we're supposed to meet.

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And so,

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you know,

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it's important for us to realize

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like,

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oh man,

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and look,

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is it cool to go to biblical sites?

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Yeah, it's cool to go to.

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I want to go to Cyprus,

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okay,

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in Greece.

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I don't really want to go to Israel.

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Just be honest with you.

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You know,

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it's not really my thing.

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You know,

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I know there's people who are like,

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oh,

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I want to go to Israel

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and see all the biblical sites

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and

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it's just going to be so great.

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Why?

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There's all kinds of

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Christ rejecting Jews there

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who don't like,

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you might get spit upon.

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You know,

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and it's not going to be a pleasant.

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And all they're doing is just,

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you know,

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going to make money off of you

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because you believe

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that this pile of sand

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has something to do with the Bible.

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And again,

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I'm sure there's biblical sites there

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that are legitimate or whatever,

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but I'm not buying into

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that's where Jesus was born.

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I'm just not going to buy into that.

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Right, right.

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And you go in there

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it's just like,

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ultra-orthodox.

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Right, it's just like,

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this is where Jesus was like,

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why does it look so pagan?

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And I know people are offended at that.

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you know,

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Catholics have this tendency to just like,

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honor

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like literally an amputated hand.

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Like this is the hand of Jude.

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It's like my grave robbers here.

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What the heck?

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Someone literally like dug up this,

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this body.

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That's morbid.

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And it's just like,

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oh, and then,

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you know,

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you, you bring that up

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and they're like,

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well, what about,

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you know,

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Elisha,

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you know,

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his body had power.

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And you know,

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once they put

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the man's body on top of him,

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it revived.

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No one's come back to life

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because of Jude's hand.

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The only thing that's really amazing

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about that hand

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is how many people believe

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that it's actually supernatural.

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The only power that it has

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is the power of disillusion.

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Okay.

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Or excuse me,

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delusion.

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You know,

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it has the power of delusion,

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as the power to deceive,

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as the power to lie,

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and to cause people to believe

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that it has some sort of

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capability from God.

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You know,

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they're all the skull

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of Mary Magdalene.

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It's crazy.

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And so just because

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someone is close

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to a skull,

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to a grave,

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to a building,

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to the apostles,

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doesn't mean they're accurate.

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The Bible says in Colossians

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chapter two,

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you don't have to turn there,

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but go with me for word

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to Acts 15,

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Acts chapter 15.

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Acts chapter 15.

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I'm going to read to you

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from Colossians two,

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verse eight says,

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Beware, lest any man spoil you

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through philosophy

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and vain deceit,

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after the tradition of men,

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after the rudiments

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of the world,

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and not after Christ.

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What is he saying?

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If someone is trying to

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lead you away

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from the cornerstone,

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you need to be aware of that.

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Beware of the tradition of men.

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Don't esteem these things

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as being

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authoritative,

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supernatural,

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if it's not cut

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exactly like the cornerstone.

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So point number two

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is that proximity

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to the apostles

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does not equal accuracy

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in doctrine

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and in practice.

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This is why we should not

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reference church fathers.

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Number three is that

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if you reference church fathers,

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it can weaken

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your doctrinal position.

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It can weaken

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your doctrinal position

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when you reference

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church fathers.

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Why? Because if you're referencing

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them, you esteem them

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and they're going to say

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something different than you.

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And they're going to say

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it better than you.

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They're going to use

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all these terminologies

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and so many people

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are going to agree with them.

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You know what's going to

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cause you to do?

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Compromise on your

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doctrinal positions.

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That's a fact.

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Okay.

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Now look folks,

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even before the Bible

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was canonized,

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you had apostles.

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Listen to me.

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There are apostles

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who are wrong.

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Yes, that's true.

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And you know,

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oh, I can't believe you said that.

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It's true.

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Because they're fallible men.

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Let me give you an example.

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James, the brother of Jesus.

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I'm going to talk about

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the half-brother of Jesus.

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Talk about close proximity.

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Bro, grew up with him.

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He grew up with the Lord Jesus Christ.

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He's his younger brother,

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you know.

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And you know, it's likely,

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let me say this,

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it's likely because they share

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you know, the same mother.

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It's likely that he might have

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kind of resembled him a little bit.

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It's very likely, right?

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That's how it is sometimes.

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You know, I have half siblings.

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Some of them look like me.

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I'm the better version,

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but you know, they kind of look like me.

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There's some resemblance, right?

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It's likely that he did.

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He's close.

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And in fact, he is the pastor.

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James was the pastor

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of the first church in Jerusalem.

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A church that ran like 5,000, 6,000 people,

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like a large church.

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People esteemed him.

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He was, but you know what?

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He was wrong in a lot of ways.

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In fact, he was responsible

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for causing the church of Jerusalem

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to only reach Jews.

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Now no one questions that

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because it's James.

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Oh, but that, but yeah,

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but that was James.

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So what?

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He's disobeying the Lord's command

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to reach all people,

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to go into Jerusalem,

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Judea, Samaria,

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and the utmost parts of the world.

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The church of Jerusalem

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is primarily reaching Jews.

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So what's wrong with that, you know?

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Well, first of all,

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I'm against just having

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a church of just

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one particular ethnic group.

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I talked about that last time, right?

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But you say why?

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Because the Bible commands

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is to go everywhere

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and to reach everybody, okay?

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But also when you're only

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reaching Jews,

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the likelihood of heresy

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infiltrating church increases.

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And the church of Jerusalem

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became Judaized.

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Now it's interesting

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over the fact that,

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you know,

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when are they first called Christians

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in Jerusalem?

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No, in Antioch.

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Antioch came after the

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church of Jerusalem.

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I mean, that has to say something there.

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So their first call is like,

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why are they first called

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Christians there?

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There's Christians in Jerusalem

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at the church of Jerusalem.

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They got the apostles there.

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It all started there.

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Why aren't they called

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Christians there?

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It's probably because

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they've been Judaized.

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Influenced by Jews.

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Pharisees are there.

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They're teaching heresy.

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They've gone astray

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in a lot of ways.

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Now, why don't we use

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him as an example

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of what to do?

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I'll tell you why,

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because he's clearly

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disobeying the Word of God

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by allowing these people

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into the church.

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Look at Acts 15,

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verse 1, it says,

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And certain men

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which came down

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from Judea,

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taught the brethren,

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and said,

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except ye be circumcised

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after the manner of Moses,

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ye cannot be saved.

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So that's damn double heresy.

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It's weird.

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And it's like,

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you guys got to be circumcised

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if you want to be saved.

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And it's like,

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what about my wife?

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How's it work for the girls?

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But this is what they're teaching.

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Now, these are

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dandable heretics, right?

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Verse 2 says,

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When therefore Paul and Barnabas

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had no small dissension

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in disputation with them,

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they determined that Paul

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and Barnabas

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and certain other of them

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should go up to Jerusalem

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unto the apostles

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and elders

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about this question.

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Skip down to verse 5.

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But there arose

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up certain of the sect

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of the Pharisees

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which believed

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saying that it was

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needful to circumcise them

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and to command them

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to keep the law of Moses.

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And the apostles

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and elders came together

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for to consider

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of this matter.

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So what do you have here?

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They're like,

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these heretics come,

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they're like,

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hey, if you want to be saved,

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you got to be circumcised.

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And Paul and Barnabas are like,

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what?

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Let's go talk to James

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and them about this.

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They get there.

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There's Pharisees

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in the church.

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And I want you to notice

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that it says

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which believed.

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What does that mean?

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Means they're saved.

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Okay.

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They believe in the right salvation.

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And I don't know

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why these guys are talking.

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Like,

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I'm sorry.

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Would you say long rope?

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Like, you're not in this conversation.

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You still are like,

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you're still abiding

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by, you know,

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you're still abiding

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by your old ways.

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Your car is of a Pharisee

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but you believe.

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And they're coming up

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and they're saying,

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well, you know,

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it's needful to circumcise them

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and what they're basically saying

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is like to believe.

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Obviously, it's only by faith in Christ.

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But they're saying,

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but you should still circumcise them

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and command them

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to keep the law of Moses.

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But that's unlawful.

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It's not according to the Bible.

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No, they don't need to be circumcised.

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And no, they don't need

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to keep the law of Moses.

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This is something that's

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being imposed upon them

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through a Pharisee

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who according to the Bible

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was saved but was off.

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Now James should have said,

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hey,

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no one asked you.

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Like, who asked you?

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That's wrong.

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No, we're not going to do that.

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Tell them they don't have to

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get circumcised.

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They're good.

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That time has passed.

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You know, this is what the Bible says.

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Circumcision availeth nothing

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and neither uncircumcision.

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You know, this is what

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the Word of God says.

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He was the leader.

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Skipped down to verse 23.

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As the leader,

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that's what he should have said.

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Looking for verse 23.

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And they wrote letters

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by them after this manner.

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The apostles and elders

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and brethren

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send greeting unto the brethren

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which are of the Gentiles

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and Antioch and Syrians, Celestia.

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For as much as we heard

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that certain which went out

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from us have troubled you

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with words subverting your soul

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saying ye must be circumcised

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and keep the law

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to whom we gave no such command.

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It seemed good unto us

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being assembled with one accord.

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You know, this council,

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they're getting a council together.

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They're getting a little

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a group together

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to discuss this matter,

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to send chosen men unto you

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with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

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Men that have hazarded their lives

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for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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We have sent them therefore

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Judas and Silas

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who shall also tell you

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the same things by mouth.

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For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost

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and to us to lay upon you

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no greater burden

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than these necessary things

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that ye abstain from meats

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offered to idols

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and from blood

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and from things strangled

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and from fornication

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from which ye keep yourselves

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ye shall do well,

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fare ye well.

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So what's going on here?

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James hears this and is like

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no, we're not going to circumcise them

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but we do need to do something

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about Gentiles.

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And so what James is doing

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is he's making another set of rules

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for Gentiles.

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Okay?

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Now abstain from fornication?

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Yeah, everyone has to abstain

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from fornication.

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What do you mean?

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Everyone has to abstain from blood.

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What are you talking about?

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Everyone has to abstain from idols.

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Why are these rules

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only being imposed upon the Gentiles

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as though it's some sort

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of separate commandment for them?

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I'll tell you why.

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It's because James is trying

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to compromise here

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to please his Jew buddies.

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That's why he's doing it.

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Whereas this should even be

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a conversation.

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They're integrating

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to the new covenant.

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This is the New Testament.

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This is what we have to do.

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Now what is the point of this?

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The point is,

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is that when you allow

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elders, church fathers,

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people of reputation

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as the Apostle Paul called them

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in Galatians chapter 2

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to have a voice

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to influence doctrine,

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it tempts people

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to compromise a little bit.

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There's a pastor recently

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who used to run with churches

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like ours,

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Fundamental Baptist,

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and now he's getting

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all onto church history,

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he's getting into the church

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fathers,

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and now he's like,

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yeah, I mean like,

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Baptist,

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I would think if someone

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doesn't get baptized,

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just kind of wonder

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if they're saved or not.

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It's kind of necessary

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that they have to get

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baptized to confirm that.

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What?

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And he's just like,

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you could see why

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they would believe these things

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in the past

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when you read their writings

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or whatever,

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and he's talking to this

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Calvinist,

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and the Calvinist

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literally gives

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the wrong interpretation

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of James 2.

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He's like, oh yeah,

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faith that works is dead,

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being alone.

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You know,

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faith works is a byproduct

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of faith,

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all this nonsense,

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all this workspace salvation,

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and the pastor doesn't

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correct them at all.

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He's just like,

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yeah, you know,

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like baptism,

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I would say,

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you know,

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if someone chooses,

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they have the opportunity

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to be baptized,

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and they don't,

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and they just kind of

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question their salvation.

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But what?

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You're like,

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do you think that guy's a

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heretic?

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I know that he's a heretic.

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Whether he's saved or not,

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doesn't matter.

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But that's what happens,

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my friends.

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When you get into church

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history,

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the church fathers,

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you know what that means?

55:25.800 --> 55:27.460
It's you start compromising.

55:29.240 --> 55:30.040
Well, you know,

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all these people

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believe you have to be

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baptized

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in order for salvation.

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I don't agree to get

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baptized for salvation.

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Let me find some middle

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ground where I can appease

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both the Jew

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and the Gentile.

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He's being like James,

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where he wants to

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placate both sides.

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Don't placate anybody.

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Serve the Lord Jesus Christ.

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And if no one agrees

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with you,

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that's tough on them.

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So what?

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You guys are all wrong.

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Case closed.

55:55.760 --> 55:56.020
You know,

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and look,

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folks,

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when it comes to the

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subject of the baptism,

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this is a major thing.

55:59.260 --> 55:59.940
When it comes to the

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church fathers,

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it's probably one of the

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main reasons.

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I don't

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reference them at all

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because their belief

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on baptism.

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You know,

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we have people come

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to our church

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and they're like,

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well, you know,

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there's just some good

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church fathers out there

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and, you know,

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they're right.

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And I'm right too, though.

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You got me right here.

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You know,

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he's right too.

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You got him right there?

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There's a bunch of people

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here who are right.

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In fact,

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a lot of ways

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we're more right than them.

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Oh, but it's just

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this guy 1500 years ago,

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though.

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It's this guy 700 years ago.

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He's just so cool.

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Dude's wearing a dress

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and he's got a picture

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and a robe

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with the circle over it.

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He's not mogging.

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It's not a mogger.

56:48.200 --> 56:49.300
Justin Marder

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in his book,

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First Apology,

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Chapter 61.

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This is someone who

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is addressed constantly

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in Bible colleges.

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Fundamental bath is

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Bible colleges.

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Justin Marder.

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He says,

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then they are brought by us

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where there is water

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and are regenerated

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in the same manner

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in which we are,

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we were ourselves

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regenerated.

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Later in the same chapter

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he says,

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since at our birth

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we were born

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without our knowledge

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or choice

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by our parents

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coming together

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and were brought up

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in bad habits

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and wicked training

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in order that we may not

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remain the children

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of the necessity

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and of ignorance

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but may become

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the children of choice

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and knowledge

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and may obtain

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in the water.

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Listen to this.

57:28.000 --> 57:28.780
The remission

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of sins formally committed.

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See ya.

57:34.040 --> 57:34.580
Not interested.

57:36.000 --> 57:37.340
You're taking them out of context.

57:37.480 --> 57:38.000
Well, I guess it's good

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that we just have the Bible, huh?

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So we don't have to worry

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if we're taking them out

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of context.

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But the context

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seems pretty clear.

57:45.420 --> 57:46.300
May obtain

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in the water

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the remission of sins.

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Tertullian,

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another guy

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that fundamental bath

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is often addressed

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on baptism in chapter one

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says,

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happy is our sacrament

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of water.

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All right.

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Done.

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Calling things sacraments,

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you're done.

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Not interested.

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Happy is our sacrament

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of water

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in that by washing away

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the sins

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of our early blindness,

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we are set free

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and admitted into eternal life.

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He ain't saying that no more.

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Surreal of Jerusalem

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says in lecture three,

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section nine through 10,

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if any man received

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not baptism,

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he has not salvation

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except only the martyrs.

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Saying that martyrs

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don't necessarily have to be baptized

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because they're martyrs.

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Augustine,

58:34.460 --> 58:35.540
now Augustine is a guy

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that people quote

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and look,

58:36.900 --> 58:37.900
people fight over these people

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all the time.

58:39.400 --> 58:39.440
Okay.

58:40.420 --> 58:40.960
On the merits

58:40.960 --> 58:41.900
and forgiveness of sins

58:41.900 --> 58:42.780
and on the baptism

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of infants

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because even renewed parents

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beget children

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not out of the first fruits

58:47.980 --> 58:49.420
of the renewed condition

58:49.420 --> 58:49.940
but currently

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out of the remains

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of the old nature

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and the children

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who are thus the offspring

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of their parents

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remaining old nature

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and are born

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in sinful flesh

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escape from the condemnation

58:59.920 --> 59:01.520
which is due to the old man

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by the sacrament

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of spiritual regeneration

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and renewal.

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Now this is a consideration

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which on account

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of the controversies

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that have arisen

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and may still arise

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on the subject

59:11.940 --> 59:12.680
we ought to keep

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in our view

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and memory

59:13.960 --> 59:14.940
that a full

59:14.940 --> 59:15.740
and perfect remission

59:15.740 --> 59:16.280
of sins

59:16.280 --> 59:17.040
takes place

59:17.040 --> 59:18.520
only in baptism.

59:20.080 --> 59:20.800
Now this is why

59:20.800 --> 59:21.680
a lot of Protestants

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still believe

59:23.680 --> 59:24.580
in baptizing their babies

59:24.580 --> 59:24.980
even though

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they don't believe

59:25.480 --> 59:26.280
that baptism

59:26.280 --> 59:27.180
saves people

59:27.880 --> 59:29.280
but there's a segment

59:29.280 --> 59:30.960
of mainstream Christianity

59:30.960 --> 59:31.540
out there

59:31.540 --> 59:32.200
that will say

59:32.200 --> 59:32.660
well you know

59:32.660 --> 59:33.260
salvation is only

59:33.260 --> 59:34.100
by grace through faith alone

59:34.100 --> 59:34.860
for sure

59:34.860 --> 59:35.980
but baptism

59:35.980 --> 59:37.380
should also be instituted

59:37.380 --> 59:38.020
upon babies

59:38.020 --> 59:39.300
not to save them

59:39.300 --> 59:40.600
but to introduce them

59:40.600 --> 59:41.640
into the new covenant

59:41.640 --> 59:43.620
and they give

59:43.620 --> 59:44.220
all these

59:44.220 --> 59:46.020
church father examples

59:46.020 --> 59:47.020
and all these people

59:47.020 --> 59:47.720
who talked about it

59:47.720 --> 59:48.480
so they must be right

59:48.480 --> 59:49.700
here's the problem

59:49.700 --> 59:50.240
with that though

59:50.760 --> 59:51.860
there's no example

59:51.860 --> 59:52.840
of any baby

59:53.400 --> 59:54.200
being baptized

59:54.200 --> 59:54.700
in the bible.

59:54.700 --> 59:55.080
Right.

59:55.940 --> 59:56.920
Yeah but there's examples

59:56.920 --> 59:57.520
of household

59:57.520 --> 59:58.740
there's households

59:58.740 --> 59:59.380
in this world

59:59.380 --> 59:59.780
right now

59:59.780 --> 01:00:00.540
that have no babies.

01:00:03.680 --> 01:00:04.940
There could be a household

01:00:04.940 --> 01:00:05.860
with no infants

01:00:05.860 --> 01:00:06.360
and no babies.

01:00:07.680 --> 01:00:08.500
That's a fact

01:00:09.580 --> 01:00:10.420
and back then

01:00:10.420 --> 01:00:10.920
it was the same

01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:11.380
exact thing.

01:00:12.240 --> 01:00:13.360
Okay and look

01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:13.840
you know

01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:15.120
if God wanted us

01:00:15.120 --> 01:00:15.900
to baptize our babies

01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:16.780
he would explicitly

01:00:16.780 --> 01:00:17.300
put one

01:00:17.940 --> 01:00:19.060
of one being baptized

01:00:19.560 --> 01:00:20.640
they have to infer

01:00:20.640 --> 01:00:21.480
that into the text

01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:22.360
because they're

01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:23.160
following their church

01:00:23.160 --> 01:00:23.540
fathers.

01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:25.320
And you know what

01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:26.300
what happens

01:00:26.300 --> 01:00:27.220
fundamental baptism

01:00:27.220 --> 01:00:27.980
is like oh man

01:00:27.980 --> 01:00:28.440
you know

01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:29.080
church fathers

01:00:29.080 --> 01:00:29.880
are doing this

01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:31.040
so I can see why

01:00:31.040 --> 01:00:31.880
let me find some

01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:32.560
let me just

01:00:32.560 --> 01:00:33.480
find a medium here

01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:34.140
let me find

01:00:34.140 --> 01:00:34.880
common ground

01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.060
let me just compromise

01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:36.760
a little bit

01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:37.620
no why don't you

01:00:37.620 --> 01:00:37.900
just say

01:00:37.900 --> 01:00:38.460
there are heretics

01:00:38.460 --> 01:00:38.960
for believing

01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:39.340
that you have to

01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:39.960
baptize babies

01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:40.460
how about that?

01:00:41.300 --> 01:00:42.020
Why don't you grow

01:00:42.020 --> 01:00:42.860
some stones

01:00:44.080 --> 01:00:45.120
and actually call it

01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:45.900
out for what it is?

01:00:46.580 --> 01:00:47.000
Okay.

01:00:47.540 --> 01:00:48.160
Why don't you stop

01:00:48.160 --> 01:00:49.020
trying to placate

01:00:49.020 --> 01:00:49.660
Catholics

01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:51.380
and want to be

01:00:51.380 --> 01:00:51.760
Catholics

01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:52.780
known as Protestants

01:00:52.780 --> 01:00:53.680
and just say

01:00:53.680 --> 01:00:54.280
what the bible says

01:00:55.020 --> 01:00:56.380
stop trying to placate

01:00:56.900 --> 01:00:57.340
heretics

01:00:57.340 --> 01:00:58.360
and false doctrine

01:00:58.360 --> 01:00:58.860
and actually

01:00:58.860 --> 01:00:59.580
side with what the bible

01:00:59.580 --> 01:00:59.880
says

01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:01.540
baptism is only

01:01:01.540 --> 01:01:02.040
for those

01:01:02.040 --> 01:01:03.020
who are saved

01:01:03.020 --> 01:01:04.480
and you know what

01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:04.880
babies

01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:06.180
they don't know

01:01:06.180 --> 01:01:06.620
how to profess

01:01:06.620 --> 01:01:07.000
Christ

01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:07.680
they can't understand

01:01:07.680 --> 01:01:08.240
the gospel

01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:09.260
they don't know

01:01:09.260 --> 01:01:09.660
how to make a

01:01:09.660 --> 01:01:10.420
profession of faith

01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:11.460
and so therefore

01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:12.620
they're disqualified

01:01:12.620 --> 01:01:13.780
from baptism

01:01:13.780 --> 01:01:14.640
until they can come

01:01:14.640 --> 01:01:15.320
to the saving knowledge

01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:16.000
of Jesus Christ

01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:17.280
okay

01:01:18.640 --> 01:01:19.380
go with me

01:01:19.380 --> 01:01:19.660
through it

01:01:19.660 --> 01:01:20.240
to Romans 11

01:01:20.240 --> 01:01:20.860
Romans 11

01:01:22.040 --> 01:01:23.180
I got 30 more minutes

01:01:23.180 --> 01:01:23.980
I'm just kidding

01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:27.600
what's the point here

01:01:27.600 --> 01:01:28.200
the point is

01:01:28.200 --> 01:01:29.080
there's no reason

01:01:29.080 --> 01:01:30.120
to reference church fathers

01:01:30.120 --> 01:01:31.380
because we have

01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:32.080
the word of God

01:01:32.700 --> 01:01:33.600
if God the Father

01:01:33.600 --> 01:01:34.480
we have God the Son

01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:35.700
we have God the Holy Spirit

01:01:35.700 --> 01:01:36.360
and you know

01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:37.400
every single one of them

01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:38.340
told us to search

01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:38.900
the scriptures

01:01:38.900 --> 01:01:39.680
for in them

01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:40.260
you think you have

01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:40.800
eternal life

01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:41.100
and they are

01:01:41.100 --> 01:01:42.160
what's testify of me

01:01:42.160 --> 01:01:43.140
the spirit of God

01:01:43.140 --> 01:01:44.600
is the spirit of truth

01:01:44.600 --> 01:01:45.660
that brings into

01:01:45.660 --> 01:01:45.960
remembrance

01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:46.620
all things

01:01:46.620 --> 01:01:47.060
whatsoever

01:01:47.060 --> 01:01:48.120
we have heard

01:01:48.120 --> 01:01:48.980
of Jesus Christ

01:01:48.980 --> 01:01:50.220
God the Father

01:01:50.220 --> 01:01:51.020
is the one who

01:01:51.020 --> 01:01:51.840
enlightens us

01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:53.180
he helps us to

01:01:53.180 --> 01:01:53.680
understand

01:01:53.680 --> 01:01:54.720
through the preaching

01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:55.360
of God's word

01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:56.460
it all goes back to

01:01:56.460 --> 01:01:57.800
the word of God

01:01:58.560 --> 01:01:59.540
not some church

01:01:59.540 --> 01:01:59.880
Father

01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:01.260
who believe whatever

01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:02.400
and lastly

01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:03.020
here's a reason

01:02:03.020 --> 01:02:03.880
why you should not

01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:04.780
reference church fathers

01:02:04.780 --> 01:02:05.400
and that is because

01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:06.020
it places

01:02:06.020 --> 01:02:06.840
listen to me

01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:08.560
a geographical location

01:02:09.120 --> 01:02:10.440
as a place of authority

01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:12.380
let me say that again

01:02:12.380 --> 01:02:13.540
it places

01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:15.880
a geographical location

01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:17.800
as a place of authority

01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:18.440
what I mean by that

01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:19.800
well we should listen

01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:20.120
to this

01:02:20.120 --> 01:02:21.120
because he was the first

01:02:21.120 --> 01:02:21.600
bishop

01:02:21.600 --> 01:02:22.720
he was a bishop

01:02:22.720 --> 01:02:23.460
of Rome

01:02:24.200 --> 01:02:25.120
and Rome

01:02:25.700 --> 01:02:26.640
was the place

01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:27.680
where a church

01:02:27.680 --> 01:02:28.240
was established

01:02:28.240 --> 01:02:29.100
according to the Bible

01:02:30.040 --> 01:02:30.520
okay

01:02:30.520 --> 01:02:32.020
Romans 1 verse 7 says

01:02:32.020 --> 01:02:33.180
to all that be in Rome

01:02:33.180 --> 01:02:34.300
beloved of God

01:02:34.300 --> 01:02:35.320
call to be saints

01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:36.420
grace to you in peace

01:02:36.420 --> 01:02:37.300
from God our Father

01:02:37.300 --> 01:02:38.560
and the Lord Jesus Christ

01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:39.880
and so forth

01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:40.700
so what is this

01:02:40.700 --> 01:02:41.440
it's showing us

01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:42.140
that there were believers

01:02:42.140 --> 01:02:42.680
in Rome

01:02:42.680 --> 01:02:43.820
there was a church in Rome

01:02:43.820 --> 01:02:45.000
there were teaching doctrine

01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:46.000
what they assert

01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:47.260
is that Clement

01:02:47.260 --> 01:02:48.660
and people thereafter

01:02:49.300 --> 01:02:49.780
maintain

01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:51.420
the same faith

01:02:51.420 --> 01:02:52.440
that was established

01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:53.640
all the way back

01:02:53.640 --> 01:02:54.800
when the Bible was being written

01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:55.940
in the Apostle Paul's writing

01:02:55.940 --> 01:02:56.720
to the Romans

01:02:56.720 --> 01:02:57.500
in Romans chapter 1

01:02:57.500 --> 01:02:58.160
okay

01:02:58.740 --> 01:02:59.740
so ergo

01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:01.500
it must be a legitimate church

01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:02.180
and therefore

01:03:02.180 --> 01:03:04.080
that is the central place

01:03:04.080 --> 01:03:05.140
of worship and power

01:03:05.140 --> 01:03:06.200
and now you have

01:03:06.200 --> 01:03:08.020
the Roman Catholic Church

01:03:08.020 --> 01:03:09.500
that's where it comes from

01:03:09.500 --> 01:03:10.640
they can find

01:03:10.640 --> 01:03:12.100
all their spiritual ancestry

01:03:12.100 --> 01:03:14.100
all the way back to Rome

01:03:14.100 --> 01:03:15.800
but let me just remind you

01:03:16.560 --> 01:03:17.660
of the warning

01:03:18.260 --> 01:03:19.300
that the Apostle Paul

01:03:19.300 --> 01:03:20.260
gave to Rome

01:03:20.260 --> 01:03:22.120
look at Romans 11 verse 20

01:03:22.740 --> 01:03:24.060
well because of unbelief

01:03:24.060 --> 01:03:24.860
they were broken off

01:03:24.860 --> 01:03:25.620
referring to Jews

01:03:26.300 --> 01:03:28.040
and thou standest by faith

01:03:28.620 --> 01:03:30.280
be not high-minded

01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:30.900
but fear

01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:32.620
for if God spare not

01:03:32.620 --> 01:03:33.580
the natural branches

01:03:34.120 --> 01:03:34.840
take heed

01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:36.280
lest he also

01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:37.840
spare not thee

01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:39.160
what is he saying

01:03:39.160 --> 01:03:39.680
telling the Romans

01:03:39.680 --> 01:03:40.100
hey

01:03:40.100 --> 01:03:42.240
if this church goes apostate

01:03:42.240 --> 01:03:43.320
you're getting broken off too

01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:45.080
doesn't matter

01:03:45.080 --> 01:03:46.280
if someone continues to put

01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:47.200
you know

01:03:47.200 --> 01:03:48.680
first Baptist church of Rome

01:03:49.580 --> 01:03:50.300
doesn't matter

01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:51.040
if you claim to believe

01:03:51.040 --> 01:03:51.840
doesn't matter if you

01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:53.220
started in the same building

01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:54.840
where the Apostle Paul

01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:55.540
was writing to

01:03:56.080 --> 01:03:57.900
if you get into heresy

01:03:57.900 --> 01:04:00.080
if you get into apostasy

01:04:00.540 --> 01:04:01.780
you like the Jews

01:04:01.780 --> 01:04:02.800
will be broken off

01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:04.760
and you know what happens

01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:05.440
to the church at Rome

01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:06.640
it was broken off

01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:08.340
it became a branch

01:04:08.340 --> 01:04:09.560
that was completely broken off

01:04:09.560 --> 01:04:10.660
now they could be grafted in

01:04:11.540 --> 01:04:12.780
if there's a church in Rome

01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:13.460
that believe in the right

01:04:13.460 --> 01:04:13.900
salvation

01:04:13.900 --> 01:04:14.540
the right doctrine

01:04:14.540 --> 01:04:15.340
they could be grafted in

01:04:15.340 --> 01:04:16.540
but at the end of the day

01:04:17.600 --> 01:04:19.140
that Roman Catholic Church

01:04:19.700 --> 01:04:20.920
is a broken off branch

01:04:22.300 --> 01:04:25.860
or it's simply a foreign rotten branch

01:04:26.560 --> 01:04:27.680
that is taking the place

01:04:27.680 --> 01:04:30.540
of a tree that once existed there

01:04:30.540 --> 01:04:31.660
that was an actual church

01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:34.020
go to John 4 and we're done

01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:37.100
John chapter 4 and we're done

01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:39.140
don't place such an emphasis

01:04:39.140 --> 01:04:40.620
on geographical locations

01:04:40.620 --> 01:04:41.900
for spiritual matters

01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:43.360
right

01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:44.660
and I mean like

01:04:44.660 --> 01:04:45.120
oh

01:04:45.120 --> 01:04:46.420
this is where the original

01:04:46.420 --> 01:04:47.360
fill in the blank was

01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:49.000
this must be a good place

01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:49.620
look folks

01:04:49.620 --> 01:04:51.140
Bethel was a great

01:04:51.140 --> 01:04:52.020
place of worship

01:04:52.020 --> 01:04:53.800
it meant the house of God right

01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:55.200
I mean we're going through

01:04:55.200 --> 01:04:55.780
the book of Genesis

01:04:55.780 --> 01:04:56.780
studying Bethel

01:04:56.780 --> 01:04:57.980
it is the house of gods

01:04:57.980 --> 01:04:59.300
where God met with his people

01:04:59.300 --> 01:05:00.340
and the patriarchs

01:05:00.340 --> 01:05:01.960
but by the time we get to

01:05:02.500 --> 01:05:03.420
Jeroboam and Rehoboam

01:05:03.420 --> 01:05:04.980
it became a place of idolatry

01:05:05.600 --> 01:05:07.160
became a place of paganism

01:05:07.160 --> 01:05:09.080
became a place of devil worship

01:05:09.620 --> 01:05:11.120
even though it's called Bethel

01:05:11.120 --> 01:05:12.360
which means house of God

01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:13.500
that's where they worship

01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:14.680
golden calves

01:05:14.680 --> 01:05:15.860
that's where they worship

01:05:16.460 --> 01:05:16.860
devils

01:05:16.860 --> 01:05:17.860
so it doesn't matter

01:05:17.860 --> 01:05:18.980
if that's where originally

01:05:18.980 --> 01:05:20.700
you know the house of God

01:05:20.700 --> 01:05:22.200
was is not where the house of God

01:05:22.200 --> 01:05:22.820
is anymore

01:05:22.820 --> 01:05:24.720
look at John 4 verse 19

01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:25.980
the woman saith unto him

01:05:25.980 --> 01:05:26.840
sir I perceive

01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:28.040
that thou art a prophet

01:05:28.040 --> 01:05:30.660
our fathers worshiped

01:05:30.660 --> 01:05:31.540
in this mountain

01:05:32.140 --> 01:05:33.880
and ye say that in Jerusalem

01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:35.480
is the place where men

01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:36.280
ought to worship

01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.120
so what does she fixated on

01:05:38.120 --> 01:05:40.100
she's fixated on a location

01:05:41.020 --> 01:05:42.500
we say it's this mountain

01:05:43.020 --> 01:05:44.580
you're saying it's Jerusalem

01:05:44.580 --> 01:05:45.440
she's talking about

01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:46.520
geographical locations

01:05:47.160 --> 01:05:48.080
verse 21

01:05:48.620 --> 01:05:49.740
Jesus saith unto her

01:05:49.740 --> 01:05:50.480
woman

01:05:51.340 --> 01:05:52.320
believe me

01:05:52.730 --> 01:05:53.740
the hour cometh

01:05:53.740 --> 01:05:56.420
when ye shall neither in this mountain

01:05:56.420 --> 01:05:57.940
nor yet at Jerusalem

01:05:58.460 --> 01:05:59.440
worship the Father

01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:00.560
ye worship

01:06:00.560 --> 01:06:01.400
ye know not what

01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:02.600
we know what we worship

01:06:02.600 --> 01:06:03.920
for salvation is of the Jews

01:06:04.330 --> 01:06:05.620
the hour cometh

01:06:05.620 --> 01:06:06.760
and now is

01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.680
when the true worshipers

01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:10.140
shall worship the Father

01:06:10.140 --> 01:06:11.160
in spirit

01:06:11.160 --> 01:06:12.420
and in truth

01:06:12.420 --> 01:06:14.040
for the Father seeketh such

01:06:14.040 --> 01:06:15.860
to worship him the Bible says

01:06:16.510 --> 01:06:17.500
so he's saying

01:06:18.330 --> 01:06:19.300
you're bringing up something

01:06:19.300 --> 01:06:20.400
that's not going to matter

01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:22.520
and look we know for a fact

01:06:22.520 --> 01:06:23.460
you can't worship in Jerusalem

01:06:23.460 --> 01:06:23.800
right

01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:25.700
I mean you could technically

01:06:25.700 --> 01:06:26.860
because God is the spirit

01:06:26.860 --> 01:06:28.320
and you can worship in spirit

01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:28.700
in truth

01:06:28.700 --> 01:06:29.200
but

01:06:29.200 --> 01:06:30.940
that's not where the house of God is

01:06:32.220 --> 01:06:33.540
you don't get off a plane

01:06:33.540 --> 01:06:34.860
in Israel

01:06:34.860 --> 01:06:37.260
and just feel a sense of just

01:06:37.700 --> 01:06:38.920
the spirit of God

01:06:39.900 --> 01:06:41.600
like this is the biblical land

01:06:42.060 --> 01:06:42.660
you know

01:06:43.220 --> 01:06:44.460
because now God calls it

01:06:44.460 --> 01:06:45.060
Sodom and Egypt

01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:46.660
it's like gay

01:06:46.660 --> 01:06:48.000
right it's like super queer

01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:48.560
it's gay

01:06:48.560 --> 01:06:49.320
it's perverse

01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:50.800
even though it's

01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:51.420
Jerusalem

01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:52.240
even though it's Israel

01:06:52.860 --> 01:06:54.360
so the Lord is saying here

01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:55.220
it doesn't matter

01:06:55.220 --> 01:06:56.080
if you go to this mountain

01:06:56.080 --> 01:06:57.020
if you go to Jerusalem

01:06:57.520 --> 01:06:58.480
we're not looking for

01:06:58.480 --> 01:06:59.580
geographical locations

01:06:59.580 --> 01:07:01.200
to be able to worship God

01:07:02.100 --> 01:07:02.940
don't centralize

01:07:02.940 --> 01:07:03.740
something like that

01:07:03.740 --> 01:07:04.800
because at the end of the day

01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:06.220
we worship God in spirit

01:07:06.220 --> 01:07:06.660
and in truth

01:07:07.080 --> 01:07:08.060
so what's the point here

01:07:08.060 --> 01:07:08.820
the point is

01:07:09.240 --> 01:07:09.880
you know

01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:11.500
yeah there was a church at Rome

01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:12.020
but not anymore

01:07:13.380 --> 01:07:14.320
and you shouldn't look

01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:15.260
well that's where the original

01:07:15.260 --> 01:07:16.000
church was

01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:16.760
there you know

01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:18.060
Paul was addressing that church

01:07:18.060 --> 01:07:19.740
and then Peter took over

01:07:19.740 --> 01:07:20.960
and that's where the seat of

01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:21.600
authority is

01:07:21.600 --> 01:07:22.460
not anymore though

01:07:22.460 --> 01:07:23.260
not anymore

01:07:23.260 --> 01:07:24.680
same thing with the churches

01:07:24.680 --> 01:07:25.140
of Asia

01:07:25.140 --> 01:07:26.120
and so forth

01:07:26.120 --> 01:07:26.640
what's the point

01:07:27.180 --> 01:07:27.540
you know

01:07:27.540 --> 01:07:28.480
how about you

01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:29.980
actually spend more time

01:07:30.940 --> 01:07:31.820
referencing this

01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:34.200
we need to raise up

01:07:34.200 --> 01:07:34.720
more Christians

01:07:34.720 --> 01:07:35.560
that are not lazy

01:07:36.600 --> 01:07:37.460
and you know

01:07:38.100 --> 01:07:39.420
go into commentaries

01:07:39.420 --> 01:07:40.160
of church fathers

01:07:40.160 --> 01:07:41.600
to explain what the Bible says

01:07:41.600 --> 01:07:42.500
why don't you just go to

01:07:42.500 --> 01:07:43.540
the best commentator

01:07:43.540 --> 01:07:44.300
to ever exist

01:07:44.300 --> 01:07:45.060
which is the Holy Spirit

01:07:45.660 --> 01:07:46.860
and read the Word of God

01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:48.100
I know it takes more work

01:07:48.620 --> 01:07:50.100
I know you have to memorize more

01:07:50.100 --> 01:07:51.440
you have to read more

01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:52.620
you have to pray more

01:07:52.620 --> 01:07:54.100
but at least what you'll get is

01:07:54.100 --> 01:07:54.540
accurate

01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:56.700
and at least you won't be tempted

01:07:56.700 --> 01:07:57.660
to baptize your baby

01:07:59.140 --> 01:08:00.720
at least you won't be tempted

01:08:00.720 --> 01:08:02.720
to just start justifying

01:08:02.720 --> 01:08:03.080
wondering

01:08:03.080 --> 01:08:04.360
well maybe the Catholic Church

01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:05.540
is the one true church

01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:07.220
it's not going to happen

01:08:07.740 --> 01:08:08.900
stick to the Word of God

01:08:08.900 --> 01:08:09.960
and it doesn't matter

01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:11.720
if the majority out there

01:08:12.600 --> 01:08:13.400
mocks you

01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:14.760
makes fun of you

01:08:15.260 --> 01:08:15.580
says

01:08:15.580 --> 01:08:16.180
oh

01:08:16.180 --> 01:08:17.280
you're just going to ignore

01:08:17.280 --> 01:08:18.900
all these years of history

01:08:18.900 --> 01:08:19.680
yes

01:08:21.940 --> 01:08:23.080
because the victors

01:08:23.080 --> 01:08:24.260
make the history

01:08:25.660 --> 01:08:26.960
no one's writing a biography

01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:28.260
of some man of God

01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:29.140
who actually believed

01:08:29.140 --> 01:08:29.880
right on salvation

01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:31.560
from 1500 years ago

01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:33.080
because it doesn't fit their narrative

01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:35.120
that's how it's going to work

01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:35.780
let's pray

01:08:35.780 --> 01:08:36.440
Father we thank you

01:08:36.440 --> 01:08:37.500
thank you so much for your Word

01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:39.100
and thank you for

01:08:39.100 --> 01:08:40.360
men of God in the past

01:08:40.360 --> 01:08:42.060
who faithfully held to doctrine

01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:43.620
and we don't need a book

01:08:43.620 --> 01:08:44.460
to tell us about them

01:08:44.460 --> 01:08:45.840
because of the fact that

01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.320
obviously us being here

01:08:47.320 --> 01:08:48.760
is a testament to someone

01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:49.800
who won them to the Lord

01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:51.060
and they won others

01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:53.160
and we see the perpetuity of

01:08:53.160 --> 01:08:53.900
salvation

01:08:54.360 --> 01:08:56.020
the perpetuity of the Word of God

01:08:56.020 --> 01:08:57.300
and churches that believe

01:08:57.300 --> 01:08:58.020
in God's Word

01:08:58.020 --> 01:08:59.080
and we know that

01:08:59.080 --> 01:09:00.540
just as you preserve the Word of God

01:09:00.540 --> 01:09:01.580
you will also preserve

01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:02.880
godly churches

01:09:03.440 --> 01:09:05.000
until the second coming of Christ

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:06.300
and I pray that you bless us

01:09:06.300 --> 01:09:07.040
as we go on our way Lord

01:09:07.040 --> 01:09:08.340
help us to have faith in your Word

01:09:08.340 --> 01:09:09.800
to put in the Word to study it

01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:10.500
and to understand it

01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:11.500
in Jesus' name we pray

01:09:11.500 --> 01:09:11.860
Amen

01:09:17.700 --> 01:09:18.700
please turn your song

01:09:18.700 --> 01:09:20.880
looks at song number 145