WEBVTT 00:00.910 --> 00:08.050 All right, so we're gonna go ahead and just do I don't know exactly how long maybe 45 minutes or something just a Q&A time 00:08.510 --> 00:09.810 Ask whatever you want 00:10.570 --> 00:13.030 Pastor Anderson or I and 00:13.930 --> 00:16.050 We'll be friendly ish and so 00:16.850 --> 00:19.450 Of course, there is dumb questions, but you know 00:20.190 --> 00:22.150 Just don't ask that I 00:24.150 --> 00:29.890 Do want to I do want to kick it off so you be thinking and then I'll ask guys who if you have a question, but 00:31.150 --> 00:32.170 in a previous 00:33.050 --> 00:34.010 Q&A 00:34.850 --> 00:38.750 that we had pastor Anderson you were asked about the future of the new IFB and 00:40.110 --> 00:43.310 You said that it was gonna splinter and fracture and divide 00:44.890 --> 00:51.970 I'm just curious. Do you have any other prophecies or future thoughts about the new IP? I 00:51.970 --> 00:55.330 Mean I was definitely right and I think there's just gonna be more of that 00:56.030 --> 01:00.730 But I do think that there are some people who've shown that they can stay the course 01:00.910 --> 01:04.050 So I don't think I'm ever gonna end up like the Apostle Paul 01:04.570 --> 01:12.430 Where I'm just like all they in Texas have forsaken me or something, you know, so I'm not I don't think that it has to be that way 01:12.430 --> 01:19.970 I think that it's possible to stay loyal and have lifelong friends because we see men in the Bible who stayed friends for life 01:20.510 --> 01:23.070 All the way to the end and even even after they're dead 01:23.070 --> 01:26.790 They're still friends, you know with with David and Jonathan and stuff like that 01:26.790 --> 01:31.170 And so I don't I don't think that it's necessary that people 01:31.790 --> 01:37.810 Fight and strive and fracture and envy and things enter in it's just unfortunately 01:37.810 --> 01:42.610 The reality of the world that we live in human nature. So I predicted that last time 01:42.610 --> 01:48.010 I was definitely right it definitely came true and I'm sure it will still continue to happen in the future 01:48.010 --> 01:54.010 But I think that God uses all the splintering and fracturing to actually get the message out 01:54.590 --> 01:57.850 And you know sometimes when we think of Levin in the Bible we think of it as 01:58.330 --> 02:04.770 Bad usually represents sin, but then there's one place where Levin represents the gospel like the kingdom of heavens like 02:05.270 --> 02:08.570 Levin that was put into three loaves and then the holes leavened, right? 02:09.210 --> 02:14.170 And so if you think of it if you think of it like a cancer which normally would be a bad illustration 02:14.170 --> 02:20.210 But to think of it as a good illustration is like once the tumor like is ripped open and ruptured 02:20.210 --> 02:24.050 Then it just metastasizes and just like infects the whole body 02:24.050 --> 02:29.190 And so if we were this super like tight-knit group of new IFB for life 02:29.190 --> 02:34.170 You know we wouldn't actually get our message out as much as when you have constant 02:34.170 --> 02:41.650 ruptures and splitting and fracturing basically all the churches in the Phoenix area are just filled with X faithful word members 02:41.650 --> 02:43.650 It's probably the same way around here 02:43.650 --> 02:49.600 So basically you just have all of these like X and IFB people flooding into the old IFB and 02:50.370 --> 02:56.330 Basically, they don't really change on most of their doctrine because it's like you don't really go back to believing in Santa Claus 02:56.330 --> 02:58.770 So once you what about 9-eleven 03:01.030 --> 03:06.950 But I'm saying like I'm saying like once these people's eyes have been open on things like Zionism and 03:06.950 --> 03:14.230 The post-trip rapture like they're not you're not going back and often often these people who wash up from our churches 03:14.930 --> 03:21.910 Like one man's trash is another man's treasure. And so they end up going to these places and they're like three to thrive 03:21.910 --> 03:26.950 They're super involved. It's it's not just that they make up a certain percentage of the church 03:26.950 --> 03:31.770 It's that they're probably some of the most active people because they're coming from faithful word 03:31.770 --> 03:35.950 So it's like it's just like yeah three to thrive soul winning and whatever 03:35.950 --> 03:37.850 So they're they're pretty much just putting 03:38.470 --> 03:41.970 Good doctrine even if they're kind of a bozo in their personal life 03:41.970 --> 03:49.950 They're still bringing certain good things to the table and it's getting now like when I first started pastoring like 03:50.550 --> 03:56.270 Pre if you weren't pre-trib like you're just you're not even saved according to them. You're the devil 03:56.270 --> 04:02.630 You're totally black bald now these pastors are getting out and being like hey, I understand that there's other views 04:02.630 --> 04:05.550 We're pre-trib. I'm sorry, but we are 04:05.950 --> 04:12.850 But like if you're not that's okay. Like that was not the culture 20 years ago now that pre-trib is on the run 04:13.970 --> 04:16.430 Zionism's on the run and 04:16.430 --> 04:16.790 so 04:16.790 --> 04:24.770 You know we I think we've had a big influence on people outside of our movement because here's the you get up and smash idols and 04:25.250 --> 04:26.950 Even people who are just like 04:28.550 --> 04:34.050 They still get influenced by yeah, and and we're moving the overton window 04:34.050 --> 04:38.370 We're moving the goalpost so it's it's sort of like the Hegelian dialectic 04:38.370 --> 04:42.050 You know with the problem reaction solution like like basically 04:42.050 --> 04:42.910 thesis 04:43.850 --> 04:50.750 Antithesis synthesis know what I'm saying basically I'm saying like we basically go real extreme we go real hard 04:50.750 --> 04:54.170 I don't think it's extreme is this Bible but to them it's extreme 04:54.170 --> 04:58.890 And then what happens is they're not gonna come all the way over to us on the sodomites or whatever 04:58.890 --> 05:02.510 But they'll come part of the way over and and that's we've mission accomplished 05:02.510 --> 05:06.790 If we can just get the old IP like a little cooler. We've done something 05:06.790 --> 05:11.730 Yeah, they may not smash a merry statue, but they may decide not to have it for Christmas this year 05:11.730 --> 05:15.750 Yeah, or maybe they'll just preach like one sermon against Catholicism ever 05:20.670 --> 05:24.690 Yeah, the XIV being active they might be more like radioactive, but 05:27.050 --> 05:28.730 I've heard it said that you know 05:28.730 --> 05:32.950 There's been rumors in your household that Texas is a third-world country and 05:33.570 --> 05:38.730 I'm just kind of curious like do we are we warming up Texas a little bit in your mind or what? 05:39.330 --> 05:46.590 Yeah, I think that most of my negativity toward Texas was when I was running a business here because like I was working all over the 05:46.590 --> 05:50.490 Country, but more than half of my speeding tickets came from Texas 05:51.710 --> 05:54.470 So that kind of gave me a bad taste in my mouth 05:54.470 --> 06:00.970 And then like the the expenses of licensing and running a business here were even like higher than California 06:00.970 --> 06:07.730 And it was it was like triple the price literally and so I kind of just got a little bit of a bad taste 06:07.730 --> 06:10.950 You know and part of it is obviously just ingest 06:10.950 --> 06:17.650 It's kind of just fun to talk trash about Texas and kind of the California Texas rivalry because I 06:17.650 --> 06:23.890 Consider Arizona is almost just like another California, but then even that offends people when I say that sometimes 06:23.890 --> 06:28.710 But you know, I will say this I've always hated Florida more than Texas always 06:29.690 --> 06:32.290 So I don't know that word a man is weird 06:34.750 --> 06:38.470 All right, so is anybody have a question or something brother Marcel 06:38.470 --> 06:54.540 I mean that's that's definitely the most difficult stage 06:54.540 --> 07:00.120 The hardest stage is when you have a bunch of little kids and no older helpers 07:00.120 --> 07:04.140 Like I feel like that's always the hardest part because some people will be like oh, man 07:04.140 --> 07:07.980 That must be super difficult having eight kids ten kids twelve kids 07:07.980 --> 07:14.820 But honestly like probably the most difficult for my wife was when she had like four kids or five kids because they're all 07:14.820 --> 07:20.620 Young they're all like six under seven under so nobody's a really big helper, you know 07:21.220 --> 07:25.580 One thing I would say is just it's gonna get better. It's gonna get easier 07:25.580 --> 07:29.540 I mean, you know, they'll find other ways to hurt you in the future 07:29.540 --> 07:34.420 But like I'm just saying like as far as the workload the workload gets easier 07:34.900 --> 07:38.400 Because of the fact that just the older kids start being more of a lie 07:38.400 --> 07:40.540 They start being more of an asset than a liability 07:41.040 --> 07:45.300 You know, eventually they're doing more housework than the mess that they're causing 07:45.820 --> 07:52.320 Little kids are just all mess plus it's one of the things that's probably hard for your wife is I know that my wife 07:52.320 --> 07:57.480 Had a hard time with just being around little kids all day and she's not really getting any like adult conversation 07:58.420 --> 08:02.760 So she's really like frustrated with not having like more 08:03.600 --> 08:08.400 Adult conversations whereas like once the kids are getting into like junior high high school age 08:08.400 --> 08:12.140 They're having more of an intelligent conversation. You could play a board game 08:12.140 --> 08:18.880 You can you can do more stuff on your level. So I would just tell your wife to just you just got to hang in there 08:18.880 --> 08:22.780 It's gonna get easier. You got to train those big kids to be helpers, too 08:22.780 --> 08:29.440 You know because a lot of people have this attitude of like you can't make your kids do chores and blah blah blah like it's like 08:29.440 --> 08:32.500 No kids need to be doing chores like you're not 08:33.720 --> 08:39.000 You got a everybody's got to pull their weight around the house, you know, and so 08:40.520 --> 08:44.300 Yeah, it's more physical pain at first and then emotional pain. So yeah, go 08:44.900 --> 08:49.080 Anybody else have another question? Yeah for the Jerry. I 09:03.510 --> 09:06.650 Mean that was just so long ago like I don't remember 09:07.210 --> 09:09.890 remember man, I 09:10.570 --> 09:15.250 Mean obviously like that, you know the first time you're just everything's unknown 09:15.850 --> 09:20.330 You're reading all the books and you're you know, you you buy all this equipment 09:20.330 --> 09:25.850 That you don't end up using any of it. So that here's some advice buy less equipment 09:27.010 --> 09:29.930 The crib just becomes a laundry hamper 09:30.530 --> 09:35.550 You know, I'll tell you I'll tell you the the equipment that that really works though 09:35.550 --> 09:41.190 That's important is like, you know that little like bouncy chair thing that that little bouncy chair. That's critical 09:41.950 --> 09:43.650 Okay, the bumbo 09:44.790 --> 09:45.790 Can I get a witness? 09:46.530 --> 09:51.270 Okay, the bumbo is is a hit and then like sometimes like the electric swing 09:51.890 --> 09:54.350 That can be a lifesaver sometimes 09:54.890 --> 09:59.170 So those are like the three pieces of equipment that you really need, you know 09:59.170 --> 10:02.590 Some of the sometimes people can tend to go crazy with that first 10:02.590 --> 10:06.830 And you know everybody approaches parenting with their first kid and it's like they're good 10:06.830 --> 10:08.670 We're doing baby sign language 10:08.670 --> 10:16.590 They're gonna learn how to swim as a newborn and it's like they're gonna be playing chess and learning Latin and horseback 10:16.590 --> 10:17.550 photo album 10:18.070 --> 10:24.830 Yeah, the photo of my baby's first month my baby's first year, you know, and it's like 10:24.830 --> 10:30.710 Later it's sort of like eventually it's like the third lunar landing where everybody was watching the I Love Lucy show 10:30.710 --> 10:35.670 Instead of watching the lunar landing. So, you know, third moon landing we landed on the moon 10:40.510 --> 10:45.930 Yeah, again, I agree with everything he said, you know 10:45.930 --> 10:51.230 Try to do some research, I guess as far as like where you're gonna berth and just think about like 10:51.230 --> 10:53.170 vaccinations and some of those things 10:53.690 --> 10:57.950 You know, I just went into it just kind of like on the roller coaster ride 10:57.950 --> 11:02.710 And I was kind of upset in the hindsight that I didn't think about, you know 11:02.710 --> 11:09.270 The hospital or the doctor or vaccination or just any of those things and so it just as a man 11:09.270 --> 11:13.290 It's probably good to just research them and don't don't fall for a lie 11:13.290 --> 11:17.590 Like these are women's issues and my husband is not allowed to speak on women's issues 11:18.370 --> 11:20.290 like it's okay for 11:20.290 --> 11:25.650 Men to be aware of all these things that are going on and you know, like he said in a sermon be decisive 11:25.650 --> 11:26.990 you know help them because 11:28.730 --> 11:32.110 Women struggle to make decisions, but especially in this category 11:32.610 --> 11:38.830 Because it's so important to them, you know, their child and whatever and just kind of have to help them also your wife probably panic 11:39.350 --> 11:42.330 Infinite number of times and you have to just kind of be a calming force 11:42.990 --> 11:47.790 So you're like man, I think my there's something wrong with my wife. She's freaking out all the time. It's normal 11:47.790 --> 11:49.910 That is the normal experience. So 11:50.570 --> 11:55.670 You know checking that they're breathing every second or you know, just worried about hey 11:55.670 --> 12:01.450 I didn't feel the heartbeat, you know for five seconds and she's a let's go to the doctor and check and make sure it's still there 12:01.450 --> 12:03.590 And it's like let's wait five minutes, you know 12:03.590 --> 12:07.450 Let's just wait and see if it's still there because I'm like, you know 12:07.450 --> 12:11.070 And at first you don't you're not smart. So you're just like look if it's dead already 12:11.070 --> 12:15.210 There's nothing we can do about it. It's like that's not the right way to handle it. Okay 12:16.310 --> 12:21.510 You can mentally think that but you like he's it's not a calming force. Okay, I 12:22.930 --> 12:24.690 I remember and it wasn't the first pregnancy 12:24.690 --> 12:27.150 Well, there was one pregnancy where my wife was just really 12:27.910 --> 12:31.870 Anxious because she was past due and of course there, you know 12:31.870 --> 12:39.110 When you go past due they get really really nervous and usually your first pregnancies are gonna be your longer ones on average 12:40.490 --> 12:46.250 And so, you know, we just I just like made her watch like a Jim Gaffigan comedy special or something 12:46.250 --> 12:49.070 And it just like you just really calmed her down and then just had the baby 12:49.070 --> 12:52.930 But she was just like really stressed and I think like when they're stressed 12:52.930 --> 12:58.370 It's less likely that they might go in the labor. So, you know, again, just being that calming force 12:59.010 --> 13:03.510 And you know, your body kind of just reacts to your emotions sometimes 13:03.510 --> 13:09.410 So just being calming helps them being stressed and panicked and worried is not gonna be a positive thing 13:09.410 --> 13:14.570 Even that term overdue, you know, the due date is really like an average 13:15.330 --> 13:18.590 And then they almost act like it's late or something if you go past it 13:18.590 --> 13:24.950 When really it's like an average but a lot of times they'll try to pressure you like, oh, you're a week overdue or whatever 13:24.950 --> 13:28.630 But it's pretty normal to go literally like three weeks overdue 13:28.630 --> 13:36.350 Like I know that my older sister, you know, my mom's firstborn was like 21 days past the due date or something like that's pretty normal 13:36.350 --> 13:40.490 With the first child. So, you know, you got to just be patient be cool. Wait it out 13:40.490 --> 13:46.090 I mean, I agree with everything that you said and just you don't take it seriously if she's you know 13:46.090 --> 13:51.810 Says mean things while she's in labor because you know, when people are in, I'm just saying when people are in that kind of pain 13:51.810 --> 13:54.530 Like we would all be a jerk in that kind of pain 13:54.530 --> 14:03.590 Like I remember I went to the hospital with my wife with the first baby and she wasn't she wasn't saying anything crazy at all 14:03.590 --> 14:10.870 But the woman in the next room was so she's like cussing out her husband and like why did you do this to me? 14:10.870 --> 14:17.410 This is your fault. I didn't consent. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I made that part up 14:17.410 --> 14:23.290 But but she was just like screaming and yelling and and me and my wife were kind of laughing at because my wife has never really 14:23.290 --> 14:30.750 Like gone crazy like that. But but a lot of women do and I don't really blame them because it's just you're in an insane amount of pain and stuff 14:30.750 --> 14:35.750 So yeah, you just got to be sympathetic just be cool, you know 14:36.670 --> 14:42.730 Yeah, and again, like he said sometimes though, you'll be one day past the quote due date 14:42.730 --> 14:45.110 whatever that is and they'll like be 14:45.110 --> 14:51.250 Be like c-section and emergency and whatever and like I just wouldn't make that decision lightly 14:51.250 --> 14:53.470 So, you know, because sometimes 14:54.650 --> 14:58.870 Doctors don't really have your best interests in mind and and so, you know 14:58.870 --> 15:06.170 Even we had to go to the hospital with one of ours more recent ones and I mean, they're they're swapping doctors 15:07.310 --> 15:12.370 Like crazy in there just every hour or two and they don't care at all a lot of them 15:12.370 --> 15:17.030 So, you know, do your own research, you know, really be kind of the guardian for you 15:17.030 --> 15:24.070 Gotta advocate for yourself. Yeah, stand up really do and be educated because like with our first child at the same thing 15:24.770 --> 15:29.610 The doctor would say something I just took it all as gospel because I don't know what the heck's going on 15:29.610 --> 15:34.790 So if the doctor says I'm just like, okay, that's what it is. Whereas if you go in with some information 15:35.690 --> 15:42.390 You know, what's up? Yeah, they had my wife on Mercury and she'd already given birth had been like 20 hours or something 15:42.390 --> 15:45.350 And I'm like take her off. She doesn't need it. It's causing her to be groggy 15:45.350 --> 15:48.870 He's like, well, we have to wait a full 24 hours and I'm just like just take her off 15:48.870 --> 15:53.750 And she's like, look, I mean just think about this. What if she was your sister wouldn't you care? 15:54.210 --> 15:56.110 And I was like, she's my wife 15:59.670 --> 16:03.130 Like and then when then when I just point that out there or she just walked away 16:03.130 --> 16:07.770 So it's just like, you know doctors they they just have their rules that are set for them 16:07.770 --> 16:11.250 And they're just kind of they kind of want to get over this robot. Yeah, they don't really care 16:11.250 --> 16:16.650 So being educated is best you can you're not gonna know everything, you know, think about Joseph 16:16.650 --> 16:21.150 He's in the manger. So if he can figure it out, we can figure it out 16:21.150 --> 16:25.590 But you know, knowledge is power in those situations. So yep 16:30.550 --> 16:57.200 Yeah, I'm like I may not have the best answer for this just because like my wife says that my bedside manner is horrible 17:00.060 --> 17:07.980 Everybody's got their strengths and weaknesses and like that's not really my strength sometimes and so but but my wife has had 17:07.980 --> 17:14.180 Like at least four or five miscarriages because it's just realistically if you have a lot of kids 17:14.780 --> 17:18.320 It's it's a part of life, you know, and your average person 17:18.320 --> 17:20.880 They're maybe only having one miscarriage or something 17:20.880 --> 17:27.740 But it's because they're probably only having a couple kids like if you're gonna just have as many kids as possible 17:27.740 --> 17:30.280 No holds bar no birth control, you know 17:30.820 --> 17:36.500 miscarriages are just kind of par for the course and so one thing that I would definitely say and again, you know 17:36.500 --> 17:39.820 Take this with a grain of salt because I'm not this isn't really my forte of 17:40.980 --> 17:46.860 Having good bedside manner, but my thought is just always what I say to people is just, you know, this is normal 17:47.520 --> 17:53.500 This happens all the time. There's nothing wrong with you. It's this doesn't mean that you can't have kids 17:53.500 --> 17:59.560 This doesn't mean, you know that you're never gonna get pregnant again. It's just it's super normal super common 18:00.200 --> 18:02.460 It you know, you didn't do anything wrong 18:02.460 --> 18:09.960 Because sometimes women will blame themselves like oh, I didn't eat the right food or I I was too active or whatever and 18:10.740 --> 18:18.020 In reality, usually it's kind of just fatally flawed or a lost cause there'll be something genetically wrong with 18:19.080 --> 18:23.760 The embryo because there's just something wrong with that egg or something wrong with that sperm 18:23.760 --> 18:29.480 And so it's just kind of just a fatally flawed lost cause it was gonna 18:29.480 --> 18:32.400 It would you know, and again, this is like this is the way men talk 18:32.400 --> 18:37.040 It was gonna die no matter what you did, you know, so this is like you didn't do anything 18:38.040 --> 18:42.100 So but but you do a better way to work it than that, you know 18:43.300 --> 18:49.740 So yeah, I think and you know for us like we didn't have a miscarriage for a long time 18:49.740 --> 18:54.800 So we just had kind of like the ideal situation every time we want to get pregnant 18:54.800 --> 18:56.840 We got pregnant right away never had any problems 18:56.840 --> 18:59.980 But then I'm thinking it's number 19:00.560 --> 19:05.220 Six, I think for us we did have one and and looking up information about it 19:05.220 --> 19:07.600 It's almost 20 percent of 19:07.600 --> 19:09.400 Pregnancies end in miscarriage 19:09.400 --> 19:15.120 So like that's an important statistic to think about because that's a pretty high percentage and like he said, you know 19:15.120 --> 19:17.060 A lot of people are having one kid or two 19:17.060 --> 19:20.840 So they percent of two they may never even experience it 19:20.840 --> 19:25.660 But if you have four or five kids the chances are you're gonna have at least one miscarriage 19:25.660 --> 19:29.840 Some could have more like he said also it is oftentimes a genetic 19:30.900 --> 19:35.780 Abneurality is the result of why the miscarriage happened. I've heard some people say, oh 19:36.380 --> 19:40.800 A family member told me I had a miscarriage because I go to steadfast Baptist church and it's just like well 19:40.800 --> 19:42.120 That's that's like ridiculous 19:43.100 --> 19:47.240 Obviously, yeah go into steadfast Baptist church will tell you to be fruitful multiply and because you're doing that 19:47.240 --> 19:51.620 You're gonna have miscarriages and that's just because you have a baby exactly because that's just a reality of life 19:52.600 --> 19:58.500 But you know miscarriages also there's not one fits all because they vary in 19:58.500 --> 20:04.600 Timing some some are gonna be very early on those are the easiest and those are super easy in comparison 20:04.600 --> 20:11.060 Because like it may not it may just seem like a heavy cycle and it's not necessarily like really obvious 20:11.060 --> 20:14.260 But it's still gonna be emotionally difficult for her for men 20:14.260 --> 20:20.700 I would argue that especially in that scenario you may not feel that much like most men may not really like 20:20.700 --> 20:24.520 Be that unless it's just like they didn't have a kid or think they're finally 20:24.520 --> 20:30.380 They're our first was a miscarriage and even as a man. I felt like devastated 20:30.380 --> 20:37.000 I was like really depressed and upset but the reason why I was depressed and upset was because you know 20:37.000 --> 20:41.660 My wife and I are having these thoughts like oh, you know, what if you just can't have kids or something? 20:41.800 --> 20:44.680 You know, we just can't have children like so those are the kind of 20:44.680 --> 20:49.740 Irrational thoughts that you have and then someone kind of took me aside and said like hey 20:49.740 --> 20:55.660 This is normal and it's just it's it's it's it's God's way of just like eliminating 20:56.240 --> 20:58.920 You know an embryo that wasn't viable anyway 20:58.920 --> 21:05.000 And this is just a natural part of having kids and blah blah blah and then that you know that I was like on the 21:05.000 --> 21:06.460 receiving end of that 21:06.460 --> 21:11.800 So I do think that it can be devastating as a man in that situation 21:11.800 --> 21:16.740 Whereas like subsequent miscarriages, you know, I didn't I'm not gonna lie 21:16.740 --> 21:20.340 I felt pretty much nothing on any miscarriage thereafter 21:20.340 --> 21:25.680 Because I just have this kind of view of like well, we already have kids and we're gonna have more and you know 21:25.680 --> 21:30.660 But I was devastated with the first one, you know, and so I think that you know 21:30.660 --> 21:35.560 Yeah, I'm just saying it depends on the timing if you're first you probably will be emotional for sure 21:35.560 --> 21:42.920 But as a man like, you know, if you have six kids already or seven like you may not feel the same emotion as your wife 21:42.920 --> 21:45.320 But I think the women are always gonna be very 21:45.920 --> 21:52.740 Upset very emotional and again just hormonally like whether they no matter what their emotions are just their hormones are gonna be releasing in a 21:52.740 --> 21:58.040 Funky way. Yep trying to regulate and so it is important to try to 21:58.840 --> 22:00.000 Empathize with them some 22:00.000 --> 22:04.400 Be patient be okay with the fact they're gonna go through a difficulty 22:04.400 --> 22:09.020 I think just checking on their physical health too because sometimes when they're emotionally 22:10.360 --> 22:12.900 Devastated they're not thinking about their own physical health 22:12.920 --> 22:17.520 And so you kind of have to be thinking about their physical. So like with my wife 22:18.300 --> 22:20.100 She ended up nourish and cherish 22:20.100 --> 22:26.780 Well, she ended up like passing out one time after the after the miscarriage just because she had such such blood loss because she had 22:26.780 --> 22:31.740 More blood loss on the miscarriage than a pregnancy like it was just it was insane. It was weird 22:31.740 --> 22:35.880 So you get her on an iron supplement fluoridic. Yeah, I mean you got to think about this things too 22:35.880 --> 22:38.580 But I mean obviously just kind of have to be our doctor a little bit 22:38.580 --> 22:42.700 I would say but I mean think about it emotionally, you know, encourage her 22:43.760 --> 22:46.860 You know and you know close you get to the actual birth 22:46.860 --> 22:50.760 It's gonna be more devastating. Oh, yeah more mentally difficult 22:50.760 --> 22:58.200 Well, my wife was pregnant with identical twins and then one of them died halfway through the pregnancy 22:58.200 --> 23:04.220 So we're like 20 some weeks in or whatever and then she has to carry 23:04.220 --> 23:09.500 The living and the dead for the next four months then she has to give birth 23:09.500 --> 23:15.700 First to the dead and then to the living and so it's like obviously like birth is already 23:16.520 --> 23:20.760 Strenuous and traumatic enough, but then when you're having to give birth to a dead baby 23:20.760 --> 23:23.840 And then you but then you stop to give birth to the living baby 23:23.840 --> 23:30.300 So it's like you can't just be upset and just kind of mourn and lick your wounds because it's like it's game time on 23:30.840 --> 23:32.600 the next baby and 23:32.600 --> 23:39.220 So that was pretty hard going through that. I mean I think again just you know talking with your wife trying to give her 23:40.500 --> 23:46.360 Empathy but also reassure like hey, there's nothing wrong with you. You didn't do this is a normal thing 23:46.360 --> 23:54.880 God's not like cursing you or something like I think sometimes people want to take extra blame in these situations 23:54.880 --> 24:00.700 So maybe helping her with or like with that. Oh, I went swimming in the pool and that's why this happened 24:00.700 --> 24:06.000 That's I went I went horseback riding or I I don't know if I was eating enough protein 24:06.000 --> 24:11.320 Like like women tend to just blame themselves about everything anyway like forget miscarriages just 24:11.960 --> 24:15.440 Everything they just like feel like oh, I could have done this differently 24:15.440 --> 24:22.520 I could have done they're endlessly thinking about scenarios whereas men are just kind of like yeah, I did alright. I'm cool 24:22.520 --> 24:25.680 You know, it's just kind of like I did nothing wrong 24:25.680 --> 24:32.480 Like I saw I saw this I saw this comic and it shows like this woman like laying in bed next to her husband 24:32.480 --> 24:39.140 And she's just like oh, you know, I failed in this area. I failed in this area and he's just like yeah, I'm a pretty good guy 24:39.140 --> 24:39.720 I'm pretty good 24:41.260 --> 24:45.400 And it is true that that's a little bit of a difference between men and women men 24:46.140 --> 24:51.520 women tend to second-guess themselves a little more and men are like a little more sure of themselves and 24:51.520 --> 24:55.780 So women need a little more reassurance because they are second-guessing themselves 24:57.180 --> 25:01.760 Yeah, I mean, you know have better bedside manner than pastor Anderson because you know 25:01.760 --> 25:07.480 It's like yeah, we got all of our money stolen from Ryan Southern Leslie and I called him and I said 25:08.140 --> 25:14.120 All of our money stolen. I can't get into any error bank account. It's like a hundred fifty thousand dollars and he says oh, that's great 25:17.840 --> 25:22.880 That was his first response so yeah, definitely well that was kind of that's like when pastor 25:22.880 --> 25:26.700 Me he had called me about the church being bombed. Yeah, I was real awesome 25:28.180 --> 25:29.800 Yeah, we're blowing up man 25:31.420 --> 25:35.020 So yeah, I mean I think just reassuring over the fact that you know, she's normal 25:35.020 --> 25:40.380 It's okay, and then you know hey get her pregnant again. That'll fix it so with consent 25:41.020 --> 25:42.680 No, I'm just kidding. That was a joke 25:44.440 --> 25:44.840 Yeah 25:53.120 --> 25:56.140 Like you said why is it complex? 25:57.540 --> 26:00.800 Yeah, I think it's just you take the time to get to know your wife 26:01.520 --> 26:05.400 Figure out what she needs and and this is one of the things that really angers me 26:06.120 --> 26:11.320 About a lot of the stupid marriage teaching that has come out of the X and I be and the people who've been 26:11.320 --> 26:16.360 Trashing me over the last few years is that they seem to have a one-size-fits-all 26:17.260 --> 26:20.040 Approach I'm just like well, I've never had this issue 26:20.040 --> 26:24.700 I've never had to deal with this or oh if I did that my wife would be so upset and blah blah blah 26:24.700 --> 26:29.080 It's like bro what you have to understand is that there is no manual on 26:29.740 --> 26:37.060 How to be married how to understand women volume one this thick like we wish that that book really was that thick because that 26:37.060 --> 26:38.600 Would mean that the book actually existed 26:40.180 --> 26:44.880 Because no matter how thick it is at least you'd have a chance at least you could read it 26:45.500 --> 26:52.220 Whereas the book doesn't exist because honestly what works in my marriage is not going to work in your marriage or vice versa 26:52.220 --> 26:56.720 So, you know, you can't always just listen to people who tell you they got the silver bullet 26:56.720 --> 26:59.460 For you because it might be the silver bullet for them 26:59.460 --> 27:01.800 But it's not necessarily the silver bullet for you 27:01.800 --> 27:06.040 And so I think dwelling with your wife according to knowledge has to do with the fact that you know 27:06.040 --> 27:13.440 You have to get to know your wife and figure out what makes her tick and and and obviously like the longer 27:13.440 --> 27:16.700 You've been married marriage does get better and better 27:16.700 --> 27:20.940 Because you're learning which buttons to push which buttons not to push 27:20.940 --> 27:26.480 What works what doesn't and you get to know each other and so I think that you know 27:26.480 --> 27:31.220 You have to lead in such a way that is giving your wife what she needs 27:31.220 --> 27:36.320 Not necessarily what she says she needs or says she wants because women 27:36.840 --> 27:42.920 Sometimes don't really know what they want, you know, and and you have to kind of like just give them what they want 27:42.920 --> 27:49.080 And they might not necessarily know what that is because they are kind of second-guessing themselves a lot and you know 27:49.640 --> 27:52.760 And whatever they're just that women are just less direct than men 27:52.760 --> 27:57.800 Like men just kind of tell you what they want like if look if I if I wanted dessert 27:57.800 --> 28:01.880 I would just say give me dessert, you know, I'm not gonna play games about it 28:05.180 --> 28:09.820 Yeah, I would I would agree with everything you said I would also add you know in the verse 28:10.560 --> 28:16.560 Specifically just as likewise he husbands dwell with them according to knowledge giving honor under the wife as under the weaker vessel 28:16.560 --> 28:20.600 And as being heirs together the grace of life that your prayers be not hindered 28:20.600 --> 28:25.760 So obviously there's some kind of admonition there about your prayers being hindered 28:25.760 --> 28:28.120 So I would assume that you know 28:28.120 --> 28:32.020 The knowledge is related to the fact that she is a weaker vessel 28:32.020 --> 28:35.500 So, you know, just just thinking about like okay 28:35.500 --> 28:39.880 My wife maybe isn't gonna go so winning as much as I am or 28:39.880 --> 28:46.900 Maybe not lead in every activity, but that doesn't mean that she isn't still valuable and important and that like I'm not 28:47.980 --> 28:52.100 I'm not appreciating her contribution to the family and the relationship 28:52.100 --> 28:58.800 So just thinking about like what her roles responsibilities are and thinking about like, you know 28:58.800 --> 29:04.460 Having grace toward her that she's not gonna necessarily be at the same level as you in every category 29:04.460 --> 29:07.840 And yet still treating her with respect and love 29:07.840 --> 29:16.520 Because I think it's just if you're if you're just always putting her down for not meeting you your level of output or success in every area 29:16.520 --> 29:21.680 Then maybe God's gonna kind of be frustrated with us because it's like we can't meet his expectation 29:21.680 --> 29:27.820 Like we can't be Jesus in the same way that you're yeah exactly like I'm not gonna ever meet Jesus is like level of 29:28.640 --> 29:33.460 Obedience and the works that he's doing so like God's giving me grace and still 29:34.160 --> 29:39.320 Giving me like reward and please with me doing what I can in my role 29:39.320 --> 29:43.420 And so I think as husbands because if you think about different admonitions of Bibles giving to husbands 29:43.420 --> 29:46.980 It's like to not be bitter against them and loving them 29:46.980 --> 29:51.240 So I think what's the implication if it says be not bitter against them 29:51.240 --> 29:56.120 Implication is they're doing wrong. They're screwing up because otherwise you wouldn't be bitter like there's no reason to be better 29:56.120 --> 30:01.920 If they're perfect so the whole reason you're not supposed to be better is because they're gonna make mistakes have imperfections 30:01.920 --> 30:07.280 And so you got to kind of have to like recognize. Hey, they're a weaker vessel. They need leading. They need guiding 30:07.280 --> 30:12.740 They need patience and so if I'm patient with them if I'm compassionate with them 30:12.740 --> 30:18.080 If I'm gracious towards them then God's gonna be a little bit more gracious kind respectful to my prayers 30:18.080 --> 30:22.520 And I think that's like the main like essence of what the verse is about 30:22.520 --> 30:25.300 But we can just take all kinds of application again 30:25.300 --> 30:31.280 Kidding to know who your wife is and learning what she likes and doesn't like and how she ticks and all those different buttons to press 30:31.620 --> 30:38.520 You know just helps you to accomplish that practically. So like you said like hey, just figuring out how do I get her into church? 30:38.980 --> 30:42.260 You know, how do I get her to read her Bible? How do I get her to wear dresses and skirts? 30:42.580 --> 30:46.500 How do I get her to have kids? How do I get her? You know, how do I make it happen? 30:46.700 --> 30:49.740 You know, it's just like yeah, but hey, you want it you want to figure out all those things 30:49.740 --> 30:56.080 There's that there's you know, you know just and look I'm speaking proverbially speaking not literal 30:56.080 --> 31:01.580 You know, there's the carrot and the stick okay, and then the point and I was that was metaphorical 31:01.580 --> 31:09.400 Okay, but the point is that I'm saying like, you know, there's positive reinforcement. It's not always just negative 31:09.920 --> 31:14.300 You know, there's some it's obviously better to get people to do things because they want to 31:14.300 --> 31:19.380 Obviously sometimes there are times when you just have to say look this is what we're doing 31:19.860 --> 31:25.860 You're gonna do this because I said so but obviously it's better if you can teach and inspire and get a positive 31:26.340 --> 31:32.760 Outcome so it's it's you don't want it to be, you know all stick no carrot and again. We're talking proverbially speaking 31:33.500 --> 31:37.760 But the thing like bringing up soul winning as you said, you know 31:37.760 --> 31:40.420 I always think about that verse of like, you know 31:40.420 --> 31:43.640 there's the guys in David's army who are 31:43.640 --> 31:50.060 Not really up to the fight because they're weary and they stay by the stuff and David basically says 31:50.060 --> 31:53.580 The ones who go to battle and the ones who stay by the stuff they part alike 31:53.580 --> 31:59.600 They get rewarded equally and so obviously women should be soul winning and we definitely 32:00.220 --> 32:05.940 Believe in women being soul winning like we don't believe that the men go soul winning and the women stay home at all 32:05.940 --> 32:13.160 You know, and I'm thankful that my wife has done a lot of great soul winning over the years and even just this year and last 32:13.160 --> 32:17.320 Year she's been just doing tons of great soul winning going to the mission field, etc 32:17.320 --> 32:22.820 But obviously we also have to just recognize the fact that there are going to be times when that's difficult 32:22.820 --> 32:24.820 physically because of just the 32:26.120 --> 32:32.200 Strain of pregnancy and childbirth and just dealing with babies and little kids that a lot of times 32:32.200 --> 32:38.100 They're going to be staying by the stuff, you know, and they're going to be seasons when they can do more for God than others 32:38.940 --> 32:42.800 You know and a lot of times they're staying by the stuff to free us up to get out there 32:42.800 --> 32:44.820 And then maybe down the road, you know 32:44.820 --> 32:49.480 We'll be watching the kids a little bit while they can go out and do some of the soul winning and preaching 32:49.480 --> 32:52.680 So it's going to be there's it's going to be, you know ups and downs 32:52.680 --> 32:58.460 men can be more consistent because our bodies are kind of just the same year-round and 32:59.160 --> 33:02.780 Women are going to be kind of, you know going through different things 33:02.780 --> 33:07.680 You have to be patient. Yeah, and again, I think you know for men 33:07.680 --> 33:09.960 It's it's better than women, but you know 33:10.720 --> 33:12.920 Expectations is usually where there's always just problems 33:12.920 --> 33:18.720 So if you if you're if you're creating expectations that someone can't achieve then you're setting yourself up for failure 33:18.720 --> 33:25.180 So, you know recognizing of the weaker vessel and not putting some kind of expectation on your wife 33:25.180 --> 33:31.820 That she can't achieve or like an idealic like hey, you're not the Proverbs 31 woman every single second of your life 33:31.820 --> 33:36.600 And it's like but you know, we're not Jesus either. So, you know, it's not really fair 33:36.600 --> 33:40.820 So again, just not having expectations that can't be met 33:41.540 --> 33:46.860 I see a lot of people struggling with this in all categories like women hoping that their children are perfect the next day 33:46.860 --> 33:50.200 And it's like have they ever been perfect a day in their life and it's like, okay 33:50.200 --> 33:52.040 Then why would you expect them to be good tomorrow? 33:52.660 --> 33:57.480 like so, you know just having the real realistic expectations and just not 33:57.480 --> 34:04.200 Creating some kind of unnecessary burden on your wife or some kind of expectations. You can't meet or just realizing. Hey 34:05.160 --> 34:07.560 Let's just be honest in our in our day and culture 34:07.560 --> 34:13.260 There's a lot of different things that women could be doing and you probably can't do all of them 34:13.260 --> 34:19.020 And they'll feel guilty like hey, I didn't get the entire house cleaned up. I didn't get all the dinner made on time 34:19.020 --> 34:20.780 I didn't get all the kids school done on time 34:20.780 --> 34:26.200 I didn't get like all these tasks done and it's just like instead of just hammering her or something like that, you know 34:26.200 --> 34:26.860 giving her grace 34:27.660 --> 34:28.060 re 34:28.900 --> 34:30.140 prioritizing goals or 34:30.140 --> 34:30.880 Reshifting 34:31.620 --> 34:38.360 Attitudes and just trying to help them feel like they're a positive force because I think someone that could just be beating themselves up 34:39.180 --> 34:43.100 Unnecessarily or the husband could be putting expectations on them that are somewhat unrealistic 34:43.720 --> 34:48.320 And it's just like, you know, there's only one reason we got married anyways as long as that's on the table 34:48.320 --> 34:51.360 We're good, but seriously, so, you know 34:52.220 --> 34:56.960 It's like hey, just you know low expectations, you know, it helps 34:56.960 --> 35:00.140 So those are just some some thoughts anybody else have another question 35:10.810 --> 35:12.770 We're done when I say we're done 35:17.890 --> 35:19.530 Series ain't over yet 35:22.430 --> 35:23.790 Then there's the documentary 35:24.750 --> 35:25.670 Which one? 35:26.290 --> 35:29.870 Because you know Pastor Stucky was saying they're making it oh, they are 35:29.870 --> 35:32.310 The Melbourne Church 35:33.750 --> 35:40.370 Yeah, I mean, we need we need multiple we need to be like Hollywood where they put out two movies at the same time 35:40.370 --> 35:45.750 They're like two movies about Columbus at the same time to Tombstone movies on Tays Peak and Volcano 35:47.430 --> 35:52.030 The thin red line and what was the other one saving Private Ryan 35:55.670 --> 35:58.070 You think you can spoil your wife too much? 35:58.390 --> 36:03.130 Yes America 36:06.170 --> 36:11.110 But this is America we live in America I 36:13.450 --> 36:19.330 Mean, I don't even know that I'm very good at answering this question because I always struggle if I spoil people but 36:20.850 --> 36:22.770 Again, I think it goes to expectations 36:23.470 --> 36:28.730 You know, I think I think you need to do a couple things and I try to do this in church as well 36:28.730 --> 36:32.690 He's like always making sure you realize where boundaries are and 36:33.730 --> 36:40.830 Helping both parties understand like what's what's coming across the aisle. So like, you know in our marriage 36:40.830 --> 36:41.530 I make all the money 36:42.230 --> 36:46.290 It's it's probably some marriages, you know like his his wife actually makes money 36:46.750 --> 36:50.210 But you know that to me is like almost crossing the aisle in a sense or whatever 36:50.210 --> 36:54.990 It's like on my side like I make dinner out for my wife most Friday nights 36:54.990 --> 36:59.310 I didn't tonight, but like I'll make dinner for her often, but that's me going across the aisle 36:59.850 --> 37:05.270 Obviously sometimes when you don't talk about these things or or whatever that can become like very 37:05.270 --> 37:11.610 Expected and then it's like hey if you always are bringing chocolate some flowers, then it's no longer special anymore 37:11.610 --> 37:16.110 It's just kind of like expected, right? So, you know, I think just 37:16.650 --> 37:23.090 In some sense, you know having variety helps to prevent things from turning into 37:23.090 --> 37:30.050 Like a good thing is now just expected. So not necessarily just always doing like having some variety, right? 37:30.430 --> 37:33.670 It's not I always come home with flowers and chocolate. It's like, hey, I'm just doing it 37:34.590 --> 37:40.590 spontaneously like for example, you know, my dad's generation most people in that generation 37:40.590 --> 37:45.650 They never changed a diaper. They didn't change a poopie. I've changed literally thousands of diapers 37:46.170 --> 37:50.790 But it was because I wanted to jump in and help out and be like, yeah, let me change this type 37:50.790 --> 37:56.650 But there were times when my wife would like act like you need to change this diaper and I'm just like no 37:56.650 --> 37:57.850 I'm not going to you know 37:57.850 --> 38:02.930 So if it was ever like I'm being told that I'm supposed to be doing this and changing that 38:02.930 --> 38:06.410 But then I that would just make me not want to do it and just make me refuse to do it 38:06.410 --> 38:09.910 Whereas like I was constantly going out of my way for my wife 38:10.570 --> 38:15.950 Precisely because she realizes that I'm helping her with her job 38:16.110 --> 38:22.850 Then you know, and that's the kind of relationship that you want to have obviously where you're doing things out of the goodness of your heart out of 38:22.850 --> 38:27.850 Lackardy and not because you know, your wife is bullying you into 38:27.850 --> 38:31.290 Feeling like you have to do her job because she's not doing your job 38:31.290 --> 38:35.910 And I know you said my wife makes money, but she keeps all of the money for herself 38:35.910 --> 38:42.970 So I wouldn't call that crossing the aisle because all the money stays on her side of the earth because I you know 38:42.970 --> 38:47.030 Yeah, but you know how it is because you're not paying for whatever she's spending it on 38:49.430 --> 38:52.250 She's already thought about that and she'll be like well 38:52.250 --> 38:55.370 Yeah, but you were gonna spend a little money on my hobbies anyway 38:55.370 --> 38:59.330 So I should be able to spend that of your money and then there's my money 38:59.330 --> 39:05.370 He's like so she'll basically she she basically because I've told her hey, I'm the provider 39:06.310 --> 39:07.450 I'm gonna pay the bills 39:07.450 --> 39:12.850 So if there's ever a time that she's making money on all her little like side hustles from home 39:12.970 --> 39:16.630 Then I just tell her that's your fun money and look 39:16.630 --> 39:22.150 I'm not I'm not saying that everybody needs to do that because you know your wife's at home like you need to be more 39:22.150 --> 39:29.770 Like pastor and you know or whatever, but obviously some couples they're both working and paying the bills. That's obviously not ideal 39:29.770 --> 39:30.890 That's not God's plan 39:31.690 --> 39:39.170 Thankfully God has blessed me and I've been able to provide without that and so my wife has always had 39:39.170 --> 39:46.310 From the beginning almost like she's got some kind of a she's just my wife is just an extremely like energetic 39:46.690 --> 39:47.750 hard-working person 39:47.750 --> 39:55.170 She's just like up later than me, you know getting up before me going to bed after me and just works like crazy 39:55.170 --> 40:00.130 She's just very busy and so she's you know got like 40:00.890 --> 40:07.330 Modest swimsuits that she's selling online. She's been doing that for well over a decade or something and just 40:08.850 --> 40:14.090 So many business at home. She wrote books and cookbooks and homeschool curricula and 40:14.830 --> 40:17.010 You know now she's doing like a German bakery 40:17.010 --> 40:21.930 I thought I saw a movie or an interview where she was like lazy or something. Yeah, I mean that's like 40:23.290 --> 40:30.050 If you were to just write down like a hundred insults about my wife like that would just that would never make it on the list ever 40:30.750 --> 40:35.230 Like that's the last thing that she is but I'm saying she's got you know 40:35.230 --> 40:40.930 This cookie decorating business and all these different businesses and all these 40:42.110 --> 40:45.410 LLCs and bank accounts and all kinds of money and things going on 40:45.410 --> 40:47.350 But it's she's been like that for years and years 40:47.350 --> 40:53.710 But that's just like she just makes that money and then she just blows it on like trips to Germany or whatever 40:53.710 --> 40:57.790 Stuff that I won't pay for I'm like that's that's extravagant 40:57.790 --> 41:00.470 I'm not paying for that and then you know she pays 41:01.810 --> 41:03.910 Yeah, I mean trying to get to your answer 41:03.910 --> 41:07.390 I feel like being spoiled like a state of mind. It's not a reality 41:07.390 --> 41:10.930 so like you could be in a in a third-world country and 41:10.930 --> 41:12.290 She feels spoiled 41:12.790 --> 41:17.350 Because I think everybody just gets used to their circumstances. They just get used to their life circumstances 41:17.850 --> 41:22.610 So to kind of try to like you kind of have to keep this tension of like 41:23.310 --> 41:28.790 You are I'm saying there's a little bit of variability always people wanting a little more. Yeah, like well 41:28.790 --> 41:32.850 I'm hey, I'm gonna do this, but I'm not gonna always do it, you know or like hey 41:33.550 --> 41:39.850 Having clear boundaries like this is you know my role and responsibility in the relationship is your roles and responsibility 41:40.350 --> 41:43.790 And when she knows that and she knows you're not gonna always cross it out 41:43.790 --> 41:47.730 But then you do occasionally then it becomes romantic. So you're doing her a favor. Yeah now 41:47.730 --> 41:53.290 It's romantic magically so but like if you never even knew like here's the thing if you never set any expectations 41:53.290 --> 41:56.270 Everything you do is just take is just expected 41:56.270 --> 42:00.310 So it's like I think just creating the right 42:00.990 --> 42:07.830 Expectations is division of labor. So it's like let's say you come home from work at five or you come home at work at five 42:07.830 --> 42:11.490 Thirty or six. It doesn't matter what time, but that's just what time you come home 42:11.490 --> 42:18.150 Then that becomes expected. Okay, but you know then you kind of need to like talk to her about like hey 42:18.150 --> 42:22.710 Sometimes I have to come late or whatever, but it's like now you show up at five thirty when you're supposed to come up 42:22.710 --> 42:26.470 Six, it's awesome. It's like it's you know, it's special or something like that 42:26.470 --> 42:28.050 so, you know 42:28.470 --> 42:34.270 You want to have like clear boundaries setting the right kind of expectations and then surprising your wife 42:34.270 --> 42:36.970 And you should always under promise and over deliver 42:38.130 --> 42:42.010 You can never tell men this enough always under promise and it's like hey 42:42.010 --> 42:45.510 What time you're gonna be home? It's like six, but I'm gonna be home at five thirty, you know 42:45.510 --> 42:48.330 It's like you don't want to know you never want to be the opposite 42:48.330 --> 42:51.710 Okay, because it just really just causes a problem that you didn't even have 42:52.150 --> 42:56.570 Like you just created like if you're because sometimes, you know, I see guys do this at work 42:56.570 --> 42:59.490 They're like hey when you can have this done by it's like I'll have it on your desk on four 42:59.490 --> 43:02.690 But you know, he's not gonna get it there until like five o'clock or whatever 43:03.110 --> 43:04.810 And it's like that might skate at work 43:04.810 --> 43:08.090 But like don't create this problem at home when you don't have it 43:08.090 --> 43:12.950 It's just like hey if you're gonna be home at six save six fifteen or you know 43:12.950 --> 43:18.550 It's like don't create an unnecessary problem for yourself. But again when it comes to spoiling I 43:19.310 --> 43:24.490 Don't think it's like oh we make so much money so my wife spoiled or poor so my wife can't be 43:24.490 --> 43:30.270 It's kind of just a state of mind and you probably just want to like create expectations and then have some variability 43:30.770 --> 43:35.550 You know and then that'll help your wife to feel special sometimes and then 43:36.090 --> 43:40.290 Realize her role sometimes and you just kind of have to like you know go to a good church 43:40.290 --> 43:45.350 I think that'll probably help them, you know also have the right mindset if they're going to a feminist church 43:45.350 --> 43:51.010 They'll probably you know just run your life. So and also any of this advice may or may not work since yeah 43:51.010 --> 43:56.750 Yeah, every woman is different and insanely complex and there could be some women. That's impossible to spoil 43:56.750 --> 44:00.570 You never know. I mean I guess I don't know but I feel like you could take you know 44:00.570 --> 44:07.090 There's this idea that you go to a foreign country and bring a wife over here to America and she will be like 44:07.910 --> 44:12.310 Just so submissive and just everything you say and never be spoiled 44:12.310 --> 44:18.450 But personally, I think America is a spoilizer. So it just like it basically will spoil anyone potentially 44:18.990 --> 44:26.330 So, you know, I think anybody can become spoiled even if they weren't before and it's just something you gotta have to like do case by case 44:26.330 --> 44:27.950 So I don't even know if I helped 44:30.550 --> 44:33.950 So I know like your wife comes from a different church background 44:35.490 --> 44:36.310 but like 44:37.310 --> 44:42.130 She wasn't very religious right when you met her like what was the tip off? 44:43.450 --> 44:48.930 As far as like talking to a less church girl was the tip off that like we're gonna be able to go the same direction 44:48.930 --> 44:50.490 And I'm gonna go all in 44:51.690 --> 44:57.330 You want to like answer what could be some dangers of assuming that just because the girls go into church 44:57.970 --> 45:01.030 That's gonna be able to go the same direction. Yeah, that you know 45:01.030 --> 45:05.790 That's a really tough question because I feel like I feel like whenever you get married 45:05.790 --> 45:12.110 You are rolling the dice on that person because you sometimes you don't really know what people are like 45:12.110 --> 45:17.490 You obviously got to pay attention for those red flags and don't ignore the red flags 45:18.090 --> 45:22.810 But at the same time nobody's perfect. And so if you're just looking for a perfect person 45:22.810 --> 45:26.330 You're just never gonna get married. And so there is 45:26.330 --> 45:30.190 Obviously a rolling the dice element the way I look at it though 45:30.190 --> 45:37.170 Is that the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord and the Bible says that the the Horus woman's a deep ditch 45:37.170 --> 45:41.750 And he that is a port of the Lord is gonna fall there in so it's like 45:42.110 --> 45:44.590 A bad wife could be a punishment from God 45:45.150 --> 45:49.450 Whereas the prudent wife is from the Lord. So I I felt like 45:50.070 --> 45:55.750 Making sure that I'm living for God and loving the Lord with all my heart mind soul and strength 45:56.290 --> 46:00.190 That that was gonna protect me from being with the wrong girl 46:00.190 --> 46:02.530 And I think about a bunch of girls that I dated that on paper 46:02.530 --> 46:06.810 It should have worked out and it didn't and then looking back 46:06.810 --> 46:11.110 I was like wow I really dodged a bullet there because they turned out not to be saved 46:11.110 --> 46:17.570 And I just assumed that they were saved because I wasn't as good at checking that back then and so yeah 46:17.570 --> 46:19.410 My wife was raised Catholic 46:19.410 --> 46:25.670 But by the time she was a teenager she had rejected the Roman Catholic Church because she had a brain in her head 46:25.670 --> 46:28.600 and so it was obviously bogus and 46:29.190 --> 46:33.670 So then she was just kind of agnostic when I met her and then you know 46:33.670 --> 46:36.810 I ended up winning her to Christ, but it she didn't get saved right away 46:36.810 --> 46:42.450 She had to hear the gospel a bunch of times and so that doesn't necessarily mean that they're not gonna pan out because like 46:42.450 --> 46:44.890 She had to hear the gospel a whole bunch of times 46:44.890 --> 46:47.610 She had all kinds of doubts and objections and issues 46:47.610 --> 46:52.050 But then she ended up getting saved and I mean just total transformation 46:52.770 --> 47:00.670 She got all in and obviously just being married to me is obviously discipleship because she's living with Pastor Anderson 47:00.670 --> 47:07.390 She's gonna get discipled, you know whether she likes it or not. Yeah, I said disciple not disciplined, but yeah 47:07.390 --> 47:10.350 But anyway, what's the difference? 47:11.650 --> 47:14.570 I'm just saying like you know my wife obviously 47:14.570 --> 47:18.130 She's just reading the Bible like the first year that we were married 47:18.130 --> 47:21.610 I would like go to work and I come home from work. She's just like oh 47:21.610 --> 47:23.690 I read second Kings today or something 47:23.690 --> 47:27.930 You know just like she was read like a massive book of the Bible just while I was gone that day 47:27.930 --> 47:32.510 She was like trying to catch up because she felt like well, I didn't grow up in church 47:32.510 --> 47:35.530 I don't know any of this so I want to like catch up 47:35.530 --> 47:38.830 So I remember like just even when she was first going to church 47:38.830 --> 47:42.010 She like a memorized all the list of the books of the Bible 47:42.010 --> 47:45.990 So then the pastors like turned to so-and-so the book and I'd look over at her and she'd be like 47:45.990 --> 47:48.630 And you can just see like her wheels turning for a second like 47:49.350 --> 47:53.170 And then she just like does like a sword drill to find it 47:53.170 --> 47:56.870 You know because it was like she was putting in the effort like I want to catch up 47:56.870 --> 48:00.890 I want to learn this stuff. I want to learn the Bible. So she ended up being super into it 48:00.890 --> 48:07.750 But could I have really humanly speaking really known for sure that she was gonna be like that before I'm you know 48:07.750 --> 48:11.950 married her not necessarily it was kind of like it was a little bit of a risk and 48:12.950 --> 48:13.910 you know, I just 48:14.450 --> 48:20.930 Maybe I'm naive to think this but I kind of feel like if you're living for God God can protect you as 48:21.950 --> 48:26.390 Long as you're not just being stupid and ignoring red flags and whatever like at the end of the day 48:26.390 --> 48:31.090 Like like this is why I would be so scared to get married if I were outside the will of God 48:31.090 --> 48:35.110 That's why like a guy is like, oh, I'm gonna marry this divorced woman 48:35.110 --> 48:37.930 I know the Bible says no, but I'm just gonna do it anyway 48:37.930 --> 48:38.570 It's like bro 48:38.570 --> 48:43.350 That is so insane because like getting married is already kind of a scary decision 48:43.350 --> 48:50.110 It's it's kind of a roll of the dice like without God guiding you that just that's just crazy, man 48:50.110 --> 48:54.190 Like I would want to be if I were dating if I were at that age like man 48:54.190 --> 48:56.130 I would want to be super right with God 48:56.130 --> 49:03.810 Just praying without ceasing reading my Bible spirit filled soul winning because then I feel like God's gonna protect me 49:03.810 --> 49:08.130 And God's gonna lead me steps of a good man ordered by the Lord in all thy ways acknowledge him 49:08.130 --> 49:09.610 He shall direct thy paths 49:09.610 --> 49:17.390 Prudent wife is from the Lord like I guess I just kind of leaned on those promises more than having like a 49:18.290 --> 49:21.870 Guarantee based on certain signs that yeah 49:21.870 --> 49:25.330 My wife's gonna pan out because you can't make people love God 49:25.330 --> 49:31.010 You can't make people give a crap about the things of God and you know, it's like I didn't tell my wife 49:31.010 --> 49:37.870 Hey, you better read the book of second Kings by the time I get home or else, you know, it was just like I'm just like 49:37.870 --> 49:44.330 Hey, what'd you do today? It's just like well, you know, I read second Kings, you know, I'm getting caught up on the Bible 49:44.970 --> 49:46.390 figuring it out so 49:48.070 --> 49:51.630 Yeah, I agree a lot of things he said there and you know for me 49:52.110 --> 49:58.170 My dating relationship with my wife was the opposite of his his was like two weeks mine was like five years, so 49:59.450 --> 50:01.690 And I personally don't recommend either 50:01.690 --> 50:07.310 I don't either but like, you know when it comes to dating my wife 50:08.030 --> 50:13.410 But I think there's some just some basic things that everyone should do that seems to be like forgotten 50:13.410 --> 50:20.170 And it's just like I took her to my family's house to meet my family. Yeah, I took her to my church 50:20.170 --> 50:23.890 I met her family. That's important and then like I 50:24.410 --> 50:28.130 I mean after just a few dates probably not even that long of dating 50:28.130 --> 50:33.350 I remember thinking like I really could see myself actually marrying this person 50:33.990 --> 50:38.850 Whereas there was a few people I dated that it was like I'm never gonna marry this person ever and I pretty much immediately 50:38.850 --> 50:40.950 Ended the relationship because I was like there's no point 50:42.210 --> 50:46.810 But with my wife, you know, I kind of was thinking there's a tension here 50:46.810 --> 50:51.990 Because her father was in ministry and she was very involved in a different church 50:51.990 --> 50:56.730 And so I just said I said hey, I really like you I could see us getting married 50:57.250 --> 51:01.010 But I just want you to know like if you were to marry me 51:01.010 --> 51:04.330 You're gonna go to the church that I choose and that was just you know 51:04.330 --> 51:10.250 That was kind of even a scary question for me because I feel like I'm kind of forcing the issue with that particular 51:10.250 --> 51:13.570 Question in our relationship, but she yeah, she agreed 51:13.570 --> 51:15.670 She was gonna go wherever I wanted to go 51:15.670 --> 51:20.910 Whatever church I wanted to go to and again, you're not gonna necessarily get to have every conversation 51:20.910 --> 51:26.570 You could potentially have and all the questions and whatever and I still think it's probably good to have questions 51:26.570 --> 51:29.730 Like how many kids do you want to have and blah blah that stuff can change 51:29.730 --> 51:35.450 But it's like if she likes you and she's willing to go to like follow you in the Lord 51:35.450 --> 51:41.110 Then you know, you're pretty much gonna screw up because you screwed up like for the most part 51:41.110 --> 51:47.430 Obviously, there's no sure bets in life, but you know other than eternal life, but it's just like 51:47.990 --> 51:51.650 If you're doing those steps, you're probably gonna be good, you know 51:51.650 --> 51:54.890 So early on take hey meet her family 51:54.890 --> 51:59.490 Have her meet your family definitely take her to church and then be like hey 51:59.490 --> 52:04.970 I want you to go to my church and follow me and you know at that point you just put a ring on it 52:04.970 --> 52:08.850 You know, yeah, I think that some guy like I 100% agree with you 52:08.850 --> 52:14.850 I think some guys though, they feel like they have to just like check every box with the girl first like 52:15.290 --> 52:18.110 Asking her way too many questions. They could go too far 52:18.110 --> 52:21.170 Where it's just like what are you willing to do this? Are you willing to do this? 52:21.250 --> 52:24.930 Are you willing to do this and then see women want to feel loved for who they are 52:24.930 --> 52:28.630 Not just they don't want to be a checklist that's checking all your boxes 52:29.290 --> 52:33.110 So they don't want it to be like oh will you check this box check this box? 52:33.170 --> 52:37.210 Well, then I I'll be with you then they want you to like them for who they are 52:37.730 --> 52:42.370 And so therefore like I do think it's important to ask the big questions the broader question 52:42.370 --> 52:46.030 But I'm not just gonna just demand that my wife like 52:47.430 --> 52:52.470 Understand everything and be willing to do everything like before we even got married because then it's kind of like 52:52.470 --> 52:54.990 You see do you see what I'm saying at all? Well again 52:54.990 --> 52:55.930 I resonate yeah 52:55.930 --> 53:00.350 I mean the first several dates you just get to know the person and see if you even like them 53:00.350 --> 53:04.810 Like there's not like doing a job interview or interrogating. Well, see here's the thing 53:04.810 --> 53:07.450 It's like with church sometimes people come to me and they say hey 53:07.450 --> 53:12.470 I got this person saved and they're living with a girlfriend can they come to church and it's like well 53:12.470 --> 53:16.050 They're not gonna be kicked out of church for fornication since they're not even a member yet 53:16.050 --> 53:18.670 It's just like how about they just like show up 53:18.670 --> 53:23.630 Yeah, I'm like the chances of them even coming back to a second service are already statistically like zero 53:24.050 --> 53:26.910 So like there's no point in even quote kicking them out yet 53:26.910 --> 53:33.510 So it's just like why do I even need to pester this girl about what she believes on the repute doctrine if I don't even like her like 53:33.510 --> 53:38.530 You know, it's just like hey, maybe you just get to like just see if you even like the person and you know 53:38.530 --> 53:45.210 Cuz sometimes people can change their mind grow in doctrines grow in ideas here a little there a little precept upon precept 53:45.210 --> 53:46.510 I mean, let's just be honest about 53:47.230 --> 53:49.150 You know, I'm not trying to shame anybody 53:49.150 --> 53:53.690 But if if the guys in our church if we were to ask their wives 53:53.690 --> 53:59.410 Before they got married if they agreed with all the checklist that Jacob has for dating 53:59.930 --> 54:02.730 None of them would probably have passed it. Okay 54:03.310 --> 54:08.370 But like my wife may not have passed. Yeah, I'm just saying like they may not have passed that 54:08.370 --> 54:14.610 But then we see tons of women we have tons of women that do believe a lot of those things and do practice those things 54:14.610 --> 54:19.710 And so, you know, like like my question again, you know after four or five dates 54:19.710 --> 54:24.550 I'm saying hey, how are you gonna go to the church that I want to go to isn't that's a pretty basic. Yeah 54:24.550 --> 54:26.290 That's like I 100% agree with it 54:26.290 --> 54:30.530 I'm saying sometimes guys will take that idea that you're saying that's a good idea of 54:31.430 --> 54:36.830 Hey, like like one of the things that I said to my wife in our two weeks of dating was I said like hey 54:36.830 --> 54:39.490 What if I decide that I want to be a missionary to 54:41.110 --> 54:46.970 Romania like are you willing to go live in Romania and be a missionary in another country and she's just like yeah 54:46.970 --> 54:52.490 I'll do it, you know, and just and what about first question on the date. What do you believe about marital? 54:56.230 --> 55:00.090 Well, that was something that none since none of us had ever even heard of it 55:01.010 --> 55:09.450 Since it wasn't even it didn't even exist at the time. Yeah, I know I'm dating myself a little but there was no such thing back then 55:10.870 --> 55:14.250 Well, there was a guy that tried this and she said I don't believe in it 55:14.250 --> 55:15.810 I was like, why didn't you get married already? 55:16.430 --> 55:20.510 So so basically, you know, I did ask my wife a few questions because I was like, hey 55:20.510 --> 55:25.470 I'm probably gonna be a foreign missionary. Are you okay with that? Would you be willing to do that? 55:25.550 --> 55:28.930 And she's like yeah, you know, so I did and I also just told her look 55:28.930 --> 55:31.090 I believe that marriage is for life 55:31.090 --> 55:36.290 Like I will not get a divorce for any reason and I want to marry somebody who feels the same way 55:36.290 --> 55:40.130 And I told her I said if our marriage fails or if you leave me 55:40.130 --> 55:46.650 I will remain unmarried until one of us is is dead like that's how seriously I take this 55:46.650 --> 55:52.050 So like I did explain to her like the big picture of like big questions like that 55:52.050 --> 55:57.990 I'm talking about just pinning her down on every question and just metaphorically. Yeah, metaphorically 55:57.990 --> 56:01.770 So I'm pinning her down and just asking like hey, you know 56:02.190 --> 56:06.950 Are you you know willing to dress this way act this way talk, you know 56:06.950 --> 56:13.890 It like I'm not just gonna overwhelm her with with too many things because then it feels like an interrogation or a job 56:13.890 --> 56:19.790 Interview or something. It's like so when you know. Yeah, it's just what the Christian life is one thing at a time 56:19.790 --> 56:23.970 We learned these things over the course of years and especially because my wife was a new believer 56:23.970 --> 56:29.590 I had to kind of bring her along and let her learn things and grow and and you know 56:29.590 --> 56:33.910 I didn't just unload the whole truck, you know the first day. So 56:34.950 --> 56:36.090 Any other questions 56:39.970 --> 56:43.210 Which old I have be I think yeah that that is that's true 56:43.210 --> 56:45.910 I mean, I think that there's there's two futures 56:45.910 --> 56:51.450 I think there's gonna be a group that kind of leans into our doctrine and 56:51.450 --> 56:59.690 Survives and I think there's gonna be a group that clings to the the ship that goes down and so, you know 56:59.690 --> 57:01.270 I mean, let's just be honest 57:01.270 --> 57:06.690 The old I have be is is a kind of wild animal because you have big Bible colleges and then you also just have 57:06.690 --> 57:13.590 30 person churches everywhere like you have just like any any town any area you're gonna find this like a little old 57:13.590 --> 57:18.430 Crusty tiny old tiny little church and and I just think that's what you're gonna see you're gonna see 57:18.950 --> 57:20.930 this X new IB movement and 57:21.450 --> 57:28.410 Like 30 years they're gonna be that 10 person 30 person church that just of a bunch of weirdos and freaks that just kind of like 57:28.410 --> 57:33.090 That's why you go to those churches like it's so weird here and then I was like wondering why it's like 57:33.090 --> 57:36.030 Oh, this was a Tyler Baker back in the day or this was you know 57:36.030 --> 57:41.570 Was the Joe major back in the day or whatever and so it's just like that's why a lot of these people are like that 57:41.570 --> 57:44.050 I mean, you're not gonna be some like awesome 57:44.050 --> 57:50.470 God-fearing preacher for 30 years preaching hot sermons and reaching thousands people first for Christ 57:50.470 --> 57:54.950 And then just be like it's me my family and this weird guy in the corner or something like that 57:54.950 --> 57:57.490 Like I just don't personally believe that at all 57:58.390 --> 58:03.310 so, you know the only things that even have any life or these Bible colleges, but 58:03.890 --> 58:06.230 Unfortunately, they just seem to be inheriting 58:06.670 --> 58:10.590 Something that they're not gonna be able to maintain. I think that they're just kind of like 58:11.250 --> 58:15.170 Gonna slowly dwindle and slow. I mean you look at a lot of these institutions 58:15.170 --> 58:17.530 I mean when Hiles Anderson College and 58:18.190 --> 58:20.930 First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana was running 58:20.930 --> 58:27.530 20,000 people on a Sunday morning in the 90s like that's yeah, I mean obviously obviously that wasn't counting 58:27.530 --> 58:31.330 That's counting all the different bus ministry and different services gone 58:31.330 --> 58:34.950 I mean in reality when I was there the auditorium was a 58:34.950 --> 58:42.190 5,000-seat auditorium and they pretty much filled up that auditorium on Sunday mornings with babies all in the nursery 58:42.190 --> 58:45.350 So, you know, they're probably like on site 58:45.950 --> 58:50.590 Running yeah, they're running like five six thousand people maybe like all together on site 58:50.590 --> 58:55.110 And then they have other different bus ministries bringing in thousands of kids and stuff 58:55.110 --> 59:00.590 So I don't know if that twenty thousand numbers accurate or not, but like I'm just saying when I was there 59:00.590 --> 59:02.510 Then they got into a seventy-five hundred 59:03.270 --> 59:09.690 Under scop they got into a seventy-five hundred seat auditorium and the first Sunday it was jam-packed 59:09.690 --> 59:11.530 seventy-five hundred seat auditorium and 59:11.530 --> 59:18.530 So yeah, I mean it's definitely a massive church, but to answer the question about the future of the old IFB 59:18.530 --> 59:24.410 Obviously the old IFB is a broad term because there are a lot of different styles. There's these kind of 59:24.410 --> 59:29.030 unsaved weird ruck-tards on one side and then over here 59:29.030 --> 59:35.990 There's like people that are pretty close to us and you know very similar to us and just there's a whole spectrum 59:35.990 --> 59:39.050 But I would say that I would say this it's impossible 59:39.690 --> 59:40.970 to stay the same 59:42.230 --> 59:46.690 As a human you're not gonna stay the same like you're you're you're growing or you're dying 59:46.690 --> 59:52.710 You know and so it's impossible to just be like I'm gonna stay at the same intelligence. I'm at right now 59:52.710 --> 59:57.690 No, you're either learning new things or you're getting dumber. It's that simple like and so 59:57.690 --> 01:00:03.730 The there are people in the old IFB that are trying to basically just 01:00:03.730 --> 01:00:08.590 freeze frame and just be a carbon copy of a movement 01:00:08.590 --> 01:00:16.150 from the 60s 70s 80s 90s and they're trying to just be like locked in amber and 01:00:16.910 --> 01:00:19.290 It's impossible. It's you will fail 01:00:19.290 --> 01:00:25.990 It's not gonna work and so the people who try to be identical to their forefathers 01:00:25.990 --> 01:00:31.710 Will fail it will not work and then they're gonna be basically two different ways to go 01:00:31.710 --> 01:00:36.430 Besides the fossilized that are just gonna end up, you know fading into obscurity 01:00:36.430 --> 01:00:39.270 The two groups that are gonna remain relevant is 01:00:39.910 --> 01:00:43.290 The ones who become more like us and there are a lot of people that are coming our way 01:00:43.290 --> 01:00:50.710 They might not come all the way over to the NIFP, but they're coming our direction. They're adapting on Zionism 01:00:50.710 --> 01:00:53.430 They're adapting on the timing of the rapture 01:00:53.430 --> 01:00:58.370 They're adapting on the aggressive soul-winning and stuff and they're adapting on preaching hard and stuff 01:00:58.370 --> 01:01:03.950 They're coming our direction becoming more radical than the fossilized people 01:01:03.950 --> 01:01:08.310 And then there's another crew that's becoming more worldly and liberal and 01:01:08.870 --> 01:01:11.710 Kind of becoming more like a non-denom type church 01:01:11.710 --> 01:01:18.090 And I think that both of those groups are probably gonna do better as far as like just 01:01:18.090 --> 01:01:23.730 succeeding numerically and and being relevant because they're both like adapting to 01:01:24.470 --> 01:01:28.650 2026 needs whether you're adapting to 2026 needs by 01:01:29.170 --> 01:01:36.710 Leaning in to being more hardcore like us or whether you're trying to just adapt and become more like successful 01:01:36.710 --> 01:01:39.470 non-denom churches, but you have to adapt 01:01:40.050 --> 01:01:43.550 We're all growing. We're all moving and changing and when I say adapt 01:01:43.550 --> 01:01:46.590 I'm not saying that you change the doctrine or that you change this 01:01:46.590 --> 01:01:52.330 I mean look, I'm happy to say that I can still leave all my 2006 and 2007 sermons online 01:01:52.330 --> 01:01:58.030 because you know the doctrine is all still the same stuff that I stand for now and so I 01:01:58.650 --> 01:02:05.650 But but I've changed as far as just you know other think practical things and emphases change, right? 01:02:05.910 --> 01:02:09.970 We're emphasizing different things now than I was emphasizing in 0607 01:02:09.970 --> 01:02:17.150 Because we have to adapt to the situation brother Hiles in the 60s and 70s isn't dealing with homos 01:02:17.150 --> 01:02:19.210 Like it's just not a thing 01:02:19.210 --> 01:02:24.690 Like it is now, you know, he's not dealing with feminism in the same way that we're dealing with it now 01:02:25.210 --> 01:02:32.450 So it's just you have to adapt and also the technology the internet and everything it just it changes everything 01:02:32.450 --> 01:02:39.010 And so you have to adapt to those things and so I think there's like three fates for the old IVB 01:02:39.010 --> 01:02:43.010 There's like there's the ones who just say like we will not change 01:02:43.010 --> 01:02:50.810 We are just stuck on what we're stuck on well as the whole world's waking up to the how stupid and unbiblical Zionism is 01:02:50.810 --> 01:02:54.670 They're just left in the dust. They're left in the dust on technology 01:02:54.670 --> 01:02:58.290 They're left in dust on in engaging the culture, right? 01:02:58.730 --> 01:03:03.070 And then you're gonna have two other that's one group and you have two other factors one of them 01:03:03.070 --> 01:03:05.750 That's going to be online raising hell 01:03:05.750 --> 01:03:08.110 smashing idols, right 01:03:08.690 --> 01:03:15.370 Preaching hard on sin preaching hard against homos just giving the finger to this sinful world, right and 01:03:16.070 --> 01:03:20.130 Getting and adapting to the culture the culture wants you to be more hardcore 01:03:20.130 --> 01:03:21.710 You need to step it up 01:03:22.990 --> 01:03:30.550 Whereas others are gonna just lean into like kind of being this this freaking whatever non-denom people are 01:03:31.830 --> 01:03:37.710 Right, yeah, Paul Chapel. I mean Paul Chapel and his sons are leaning into the non-denom direction 01:03:37.710 --> 01:03:41.390 I mean probably his sons more than him him his sons for sure 01:03:41.390 --> 01:03:43.670 Yeah, he's not he's not really necessarily 01:03:44.290 --> 01:03:47.230 You know gone that direction, but his kids 01:03:47.230 --> 01:03:52.930 Yeah, his son started like Rock Hill Baptist Church and then it like turned into just Rock Hill or something 01:03:52.930 --> 01:03:56.130 And so it's like now just a complete no it just becomes like 01:03:56.670 --> 01:04:00.570 They're gonna lean into like a skinny jeans graphic tee 01:04:00.570 --> 01:04:02.010 Rock and roll 01:04:02.010 --> 01:04:09.550 20-minute sermon big music fest and like and just totally just meet everybody exactly where they're at 01:04:09.550 --> 01:04:16.530 Whereas we're we're more like you come in here and get on get on our program, you know, we're just gonna just 01:04:17.230 --> 01:04:21.290 Rip face and we don't care and there's the door. It's two very different styles 01:04:21.290 --> 01:04:24.350 I mean, but both of them will grow numerically 01:04:24.350 --> 01:04:29.690 Whereas the fossilized crew the people who refuse to evolve and adapt they will fail 01:04:29.690 --> 01:04:33.670 It's just a fact. You cannot stay the same in this world 01:04:34.310 --> 01:04:39.630 Everything's changing and you have to change. I think if they could actually stay the same as Jack Hiles 01:04:39.630 --> 01:04:43.030 They might have success, but they want Hiles success without Hiles 01:04:43.030 --> 01:04:48.990 So I kind of almost think like a Bible parallel would be like Hiles is like Joshua and 01:04:49.670 --> 01:04:54.670 Then you know after he died even the people that kind of knew him or influenced by him 01:04:54.670 --> 01:04:58.370 Still had some success. So like the old I have be that's having success 01:04:58.370 --> 01:05:03.490 We're probably like greatly like impacted by Hiles or a part of his movement or something like 01:05:03.490 --> 01:05:06.310 Pastor Kevin Wynn or some like these other people 01:05:06.310 --> 01:05:11.310 but I think the generation that they're raising and coming after them is gonna be just terrible personally and 01:05:11.310 --> 01:05:16.490 I feel like we're kind of like starting the judges period where they're just gonna be a handful of people 01:05:16.490 --> 01:05:21.750 But here's the thing brother Hiles himself is adapting because like I don't like his sermons from the 70s at all 01:05:21.750 --> 01:05:29.010 I only like it's about Russia. I like yeah, it's like it's like why is why is Richard Nixon visiting China? 01:05:29.450 --> 01:05:30.930 You know, but yeah, but I'm saying like 01:05:31.430 --> 01:05:33.870 His sermons are way better in the 90s 01:05:34.470 --> 01:05:40.990 Those are the best sermons because he's growing. He's learning. He's adapting. You know, he's moving forward 01:05:41.550 --> 01:05:46.350 You know and so like like here's the thing if you take a snapshot of Hiles and you're like 01:05:46.350 --> 01:05:50.190 I'm just gonna freeze this and be this way for 30 years. He didn't even do that 01:05:50.190 --> 01:05:52.630 It's like people who want me to be oh six Anderson 01:05:53.910 --> 01:05:59.530 Like, you know, it's the same when you peaked like if I if I stayed exactly the same as 01:05:59.530 --> 01:06:06.470 2006 and I were just doing everything and saying everything exactly like 2006 then I would not be relevant today 01:06:07.330 --> 01:06:13.790 Because you took you have to be growing and learning and changing and move forward now again like we're not talking about 01:06:13.790 --> 01:06:21.970 Changing on cardinal doctrines or something. Obviously, you know, we're gonna tweak and improve doctrines here and there you listen to my sermon from 2006 01:06:21.970 --> 01:06:27.870 I'm saying Jesus crucified on a Friday. You taught me that Jesus actually crucified on Thursday, you know 01:06:27.870 --> 01:06:31.750 So it's like you you do fine tuning like that and you learn things you go 01:06:31.750 --> 01:06:35.270 But we're not like we're not like Tyler Baker where it's like well first 01:06:35.270 --> 01:06:41.130 I believe in the Trinity then I reject the Trinity and say it's polytheistic and I'm total oneness 01:06:41.130 --> 01:06:44.970 Then I go then I go back then I go to this like 01:06:45.630 --> 01:06:50.830 Catholic scholar view of the Trinity then I become post a millennial on my end times 01:06:50.830 --> 01:06:57.130 Eschatology then I become a Calvinist then I'm not Baptist anymore. It's just like that's just 01:06:57.910 --> 01:07:00.110 Bizarre like you have no business pastoring 01:07:00.590 --> 01:07:05.190 You you need to get your crap together and figure out what you believe before you start pastoring 01:07:05.270 --> 01:07:08.370 Can't just while you're passing just changed to a totally different religion 01:07:08.370 --> 01:07:14.230 Just changed it like you just changed to a totally different denomination. You're not even the same denomination at all twice 01:07:14.230 --> 01:07:20.070 And then you're just back and forth and just all over the place. That's different than what I'm saying 01:07:20.070 --> 01:07:21.010 What I'm saying is 01:07:21.730 --> 01:07:26.690 Adapting and understanding cruise missions. Yeah cruise missions or something or what is the fight? 01:07:26.850 --> 01:07:30.410 What is the fight right now right now? I feel like the biggest fight is feminism 01:07:30.410 --> 01:07:34.650 But but you know other times the biggest fight was something else 01:07:35.270 --> 01:07:42.590 You know sometimes the biggest fight was Homo's or the biggest fight is the Trinity or the biggest fight is for soul winning or it's 01:07:42.590 --> 01:07:48.370 It's Lord James only is King James only is and it's Lordship salvation people get stuck though 01:07:48.370 --> 01:07:54.270 And then it's just like they're just stuck on one thing and and you have to adapt to stay relevant 01:07:54.270 --> 01:07:59.690 And you have to adapt to the technology like he and I are both using AI every day, right? 01:08:00.390 --> 01:08:04.990 Use AI every day like we're adapting. We're not just froze frame stuck 01:08:05.270 --> 01:08:08.390 You know no man ever gets into the same river twice 01:08:09.030 --> 01:08:13.470 Because he's a different man and the river is different, you know, it's just I mean 01:08:13.470 --> 01:08:18.790 You know the Bible talks about someone that you know drinks old wine doesn't desire the new and you know 01:08:18.790 --> 01:08:24.610 I think unfortunately most old IVB are just gonna just be lame and sucky and die 01:08:24.610 --> 01:08:27.190 Very few people and in some 01:08:27.190 --> 01:08:33.610 Church from the life be like in Phoenix, you know here old IVB churches are struggling and dying 01:08:33.610 --> 01:08:35.690 and we have this big booming thriving 01:08:36.510 --> 01:08:39.130 IFB church with hundreds of people in it and 01:08:39.130 --> 01:08:45.850 Very few people over the last 21 years have transferred to our church from an old IFB church. It almost never happens 01:08:46.470 --> 01:08:49.950 It's 90 some percent of people that are coming to our church are either 01:08:50.790 --> 01:08:53.470 unchurched or they're coming from a totally different like 01:08:54.170 --> 01:08:54.990 non-denom 01:08:55.810 --> 01:09:01.630 Pentecostal Catholic, whatever, you know, they're getting saved and coming in or they're just coming from a totally different tradition 01:09:01.630 --> 01:09:07.870 But like I thought that the old IFB tons of old IFB people are gonna come over to our side 01:09:09.090 --> 01:09:12.070 It's not really a thing and they they think that that's 01:09:12.610 --> 01:09:17.270 That that's like a danger that we're scary because we're stealing their members or something 01:09:17.270 --> 01:09:20.950 It's like, you know, it'd be nice if we would steal some of their members 01:09:20.950 --> 01:09:26.110 Honestly, it just never it's just not real though because honestly what we're doing is we're reaching all these new people 01:09:26.110 --> 01:09:32.610 We're getting all these like agnostics and atheists and Catholics and and Pentecostals saved and 01:09:33.250 --> 01:09:38.570 Lutherans and Presbyterians up and then we're actually like sending them to their whatever closest 01:09:38.570 --> 01:09:41.470 Independent Baptist church, you know 01:09:41.970 --> 01:09:45.190 Yeah, I just think like, you know, the Bible talks about some people being offended 01:09:45.890 --> 01:09:49.930 Immediately and I just look at the new IP is like this is like pure discipleship 01:09:49.930 --> 01:09:54.470 So like we're we're kind of on the front lines getting the majority of new people saved 01:09:54.470 --> 01:09:59.730 But new people aren't gonna want to be fun like be a new IP person necessarily 01:09:59.730 --> 01:10:03.190 Like they may kind of want to hang on to, you know 01:10:03.190 --> 01:10:06.470 some area of their life where they're gonna want to, you know 01:10:07.030 --> 01:10:13.190 Divorce date divorce people or they just want to be close with their sodomite uncle or you know 01:10:13.190 --> 01:10:15.350 Just just some issue and so they need a church 01:10:15.350 --> 01:10:20.790 That's gonna basically accommodate that and it seems like to me that you get like the new IFB or whoever that was in 01:10:20.790 --> 01:10:25.690 The past gets people saved and then they kind of start funneling and there's like a funnel system 01:10:25.690 --> 01:10:32.010 Then then a group will turn X new IP and then it's like they're the old IP really really if you think about a lot of the old 01:10:32.010 --> 01:10:33.150 I'd be is really X 01:10:33.150 --> 01:10:36.830 Hiles because they just didn't like hiles. They're just a sucky version of hiles 01:10:36.830 --> 01:10:41.410 That's the old IP and then they some of them defect that they become southern Baptist 01:10:41.410 --> 01:10:45.550 And then it's like the southern Baptist that's still a little bit too much discipleship for them 01:10:45.550 --> 01:10:49.810 So then they become non the nom and then the non the nom is still just not weird enough 01:10:49.810 --> 01:10:56.430 So then there's like Pentecostalism and the Colts and the whatever and it just it just seems like it's this trickle-down effect 01:10:56.430 --> 01:10:58.490 that you just always have and 01:10:59.030 --> 01:11:04.310 It's it's like the people that are a couple, you know iterations through the trickle-down probably aren't gonna come to us 01:11:04.310 --> 01:11:10.270 But the the young people or the people that have never heard or been exposed like we can get them saved 01:11:10.270 --> 01:11:14.730 And we're kind of like the fountain of life and it's just it's just kind of a vicious cycle 01:11:14.730 --> 01:11:17.410 You know, it's even I think even with kids, you know 01:11:17.410 --> 01:11:21.590 Not every kid is gonna want to be a fundamental Baptist necessarily but you know 01:11:21.590 --> 01:11:25.810 You have you have your kids and you you hope for the best 01:11:25.810 --> 01:11:28.910 But it's gonna be a trickle-down effect in life 01:11:28.910 --> 01:11:34.110 And it's like the people that are saved or the ones having the most kids and they're getting the most people saved and then 01:11:34.110 --> 01:11:37.350 They just kind of cycle down until they eventually eliminate themselves 01:11:37.350 --> 01:11:43.270 Feminism eliminates itself these cult groups and these weird fringe religions, you know 01:11:43.270 --> 01:11:45.730 Self-delete to kind of riff off what you're saying too 01:11:45.730 --> 01:11:52.210 Like we're kind of the opposite of the by of the big Bible College churches because the big Bible College churches are like leeches 01:11:52.210 --> 01:11:58.410 That suck up all of the young people and money and resources from church 01:11:58.410 --> 01:12:00.750 So like if you yoke up with 01:12:00.750 --> 01:12:06.390 Treber or you yoke up with Paul Chapel, whatever Paul Chapel and Treber aren't just 01:12:06.390 --> 01:12:12.630 Sending people to your church and just like they're not just reaching all these new people and just funneling them into your local church 01:12:12.630 --> 01:12:19.790 You're basically funneling all your young people to their college and you're funneling all this money and resources and 01:12:20.570 --> 01:12:23.010 And manpower into their Bible College 01:12:23.010 --> 01:12:29.010 And then they're gonna recruit the best and the brightest and they're gonna it's like it says in in first Samuel chapter 8 01:12:29.010 --> 01:12:34.450 They're gonna make them their bakers and confectionaries and men of war and to drive the chariots before them 01:12:34.450 --> 01:12:38.650 They're gonna recruit all the best people and bring all those people in and all that resource 01:12:38.650 --> 01:12:44.630 Whereas what we do is we're like we're like putting people into churches. Yeah all over America 01:12:45.210 --> 01:12:47.750 You know, so we're like we're making a deposit 01:12:47.750 --> 01:12:52.890 Whereas these big Bible College churches are making a withdrawal and so yeah, they're super big and impressive 01:12:52.890 --> 01:12:59.010 Well, the casino is really big and impressive too because it's it's draining resources from you 01:12:59.010 --> 01:13:03.030 That's why it's so big and impressive and nice. We're putting in 01:13:03.030 --> 01:13:05.810 They're taking out and that's the different 01:13:05.810 --> 01:13:11.550 That's why they're so big and fancy and impressive because they and here's the and I'm not just saying this 01:13:11.550 --> 01:13:16.010 I mean old IFB pastors complain about this how they feel like 01:13:16.010 --> 01:13:22.450 The big Bible colleges of our draining them and then they want to like start their own Bible Institute 01:13:22.450 --> 01:13:25.590 Because they're just like I'm sick of sending all my best and brightest 01:13:25.590 --> 01:13:29.070 sending all my money and young people and resources to this other 01:13:29.730 --> 01:13:31.430 institution and then my church is just 01:13:32.010 --> 01:13:34.770 Shrinking and whatever like I want to keep people here, you know 01:13:34.770 --> 01:13:41.430 I'm just saying that's there and it waters them down because these leeches need to just be sucking in all these people 01:13:41.430 --> 01:13:45.670 So they have to have a big tent. So they're yeah, they're gonna be very compromised and they're preaching 01:13:45.670 --> 01:13:51.230 It's like it's like Jack Hiles was just getting people saved everywhere and pitmen in his generation 01:13:51.230 --> 01:13:55.030 We're getting all these people saved and getting him in these churches and all the churches are started informed 01:13:55.030 --> 01:14:01.450 And these Bible colleges coming on their heels and sucking all the talent the money and the wealth out of them 01:14:01.450 --> 01:14:06.770 And they're intimidated by the new IFB or us because we're challenging the status quo 01:14:06.770 --> 01:14:09.150 We're we're threatening their livelihood 01:14:09.150 --> 01:14:13.970 We're threatening the business model and they're afraid that they're gonna lose the youth 01:14:14.530 --> 01:14:18.570 And so they're they're gonna definitely fight for their life and that's why they hate us 01:14:18.570 --> 01:14:23.850 That's why they're super mad and you know only they can smash idols for their youth conference 01:14:23.850 --> 01:14:26.970 Like it's not it's not cool that we could do something like that. So I 01:14:28.090 --> 01:14:31.130 Think that's I mean again, we've we've talked a lot about them 01:14:31.130 --> 01:14:49.770 So, you know, they suck. Yeah, all right. Absolutely. I'm not less likely. I just don't I'm just at zero 01:14:49.770 --> 01:14:55.910 I'm just at level zero. I get I get emails and phone calls of pastors wanting to be my friends 01:14:55.910 --> 01:14:59.130 And I just don't even write back and I just don't even answer the phone 01:14:59.790 --> 01:15:02.010 I'm just that literal zero 01:15:02.550 --> 01:15:09.110 Because this is the way I see it is like if if these guys want to be my friend then pretty much like I 01:15:09.630 --> 01:15:11.630 Should see and hear about them 01:15:12.210 --> 01:15:17.170 Because if they're actually doing the job then I should see I should be seeing their exploits 01:15:17.170 --> 01:15:23.050 I should see and hear about it online people should be telling me about it if they have to call me be like hey 01:15:23.050 --> 01:15:23.670 I'm with you 01:15:24.330 --> 01:15:30.770 You know like like basically and that's how it was with like McMurtry and Joe major and and and these people are 01:15:30.770 --> 01:15:37.530 They came out of the woodwork Michael Johnson like they're just they just called us up and and wanted to attach to us and 01:15:37.530 --> 01:15:41.610 We at that point we were just naive and we're just like oh great. Yeah, cool 01:15:41.610 --> 01:15:42.470 This is awesome 01:15:42.470 --> 01:15:48.110 And then we're like promoting these guys and pumping them up because we didn't know that they're just there to just like 01:15:48.110 --> 01:15:50.970 Write our coattails and use us and be lame 01:15:50.970 --> 01:15:57.570 But like now I'm and maybe I'm wrong for this attitude, but I'm just saying I'm just so disillusioned about that that 01:15:57.570 --> 01:16:02.910 It's like I should already see you succeeding and whatever like like I'll give you an example 01:16:02.910 --> 01:16:06.490 You know like there's a church in Kansas City 01:16:07.370 --> 01:16:12.490 Pastor Snyder, Kansas City Baptist Church. It's like, you know, I'm just looking at 01:16:12.990 --> 01:16:17.730 Facebook and I'm seeing they're doing like soul winning events and soul winning marathons and stuff 01:16:17.730 --> 01:16:21.630 So I was like seeing all these works and I'm clicking like on it and everything 01:16:21.630 --> 01:16:26.090 It's like because you know and a lot of people haven't heard of him, you know 01:16:26.090 --> 01:16:30.330 Pastor Snyder Kansas City Baptist like you know and he was at the event here 01:16:30.330 --> 01:16:33.910 I think at the at the fire breathing or anti-Israel or one of them 01:16:33.910 --> 01:16:40.170 Yeah, it's hard to miss him because he's like the exact height of Pastor Thompson, but but the point is like I 01:16:40.970 --> 01:16:45.730 Was walking up to him and saying like hey, I've been you know, I was seeing your stuff 01:16:45.730 --> 01:16:52.570 I was curious about y'all like because I was trying to figure out who's the pastor like what's going on because I keep seeing like 01:16:52.570 --> 01:16:59.810 Kansas City Baptist was doing this soul winning that you know because it's like if we're just hearing nothing about these people and 01:16:59.810 --> 01:17:02.530 You just never see anything about them online or anything 01:17:02.530 --> 01:17:08.950 It's like how much are they really doing or how engaged are they really and and I mean do you kind of see what I'm saying? 01:17:09.710 --> 01:17:16.330 Yeah, I get it goes back to my point that if you're just you know preaching great sermons and doing great exploits like you're not gonna be hidden I 01:17:16.870 --> 01:17:21.850 Think I think it makes sense. You know what you're saying, you know when it comes to friendships like I 01:17:22.710 --> 01:17:28.010 Feel like I'm about as open and friendly as you could possibly be it's just people don't want to be my friend. So I 01:17:28.970 --> 01:17:30.270 Guess we're the opposite. Yeah 01:17:32.190 --> 01:17:32.630 I 01:17:32.630 --> 01:17:36.670 Basically, I'm all the I'm all the I'm all the bad of Pastor Anderson. No, I need the good so 01:17:37.590 --> 01:17:42.750 Yeah, I just I just try to be friendly to people and do good to them and then they hate me so 01:17:43.790 --> 01:17:47.530 You know, but but like that doesn't ever give me any motivation to stop being friendly 01:17:48.130 --> 01:17:52.370 I'm not as black-pilled. I guess is Pastor Anderson is but like at the same time 01:17:52.370 --> 01:17:58.510 Yeah, I'm obviously getting hit by missionaries and all kinds of people for whatever and it's just like I 01:17:59.090 --> 01:18:01.430 Probably would adapt a similar attitude to Pastor Anderson 01:18:01.430 --> 01:18:07.510 It's just like, you know, why don't you show me your faith by her works before I invest in this relationship that much? 01:18:07.710 --> 01:18:14.030 But you know, I I'm not like looking to make friends. Well, I'm not going I'm not going out of my way 01:18:14.030 --> 01:18:19.450 Or anything. I just kind of already have a lot of friends too. So it's like I'm not just like hey 01:18:19.450 --> 01:18:22.830 I really need more pastor friends, you know, it's more like I 01:18:23.590 --> 01:18:26.730 Think people think friends stuff. I'm gonna team up with them, but 01:18:27.590 --> 01:18:34.310 Like friends friendship is kind of like in my mind something that people are chasing. That's just not worth it. Anyways, it's just like 01:18:35.630 --> 01:18:37.150 That's the non-black-pilled 01:18:39.230 --> 01:18:44.050 He's not black-pilled like I am, you know, I'm like, what's what's the point like, you know 01:18:44.750 --> 01:18:49.670 It's just like usually your friends of the people that you're around. Yeah, but you need friends in life 01:18:49.670 --> 01:18:54.750 Sure, but I'm just saying like I don't I don't need like these I just already have them 01:18:54.750 --> 01:18:58.170 I don't need these friends that I never see or talk to or don't live around me 01:18:58.170 --> 01:19:03.510 Yeah, so so it's like I'll be friends with people in my church. I'll be friends with you know, my wife 01:19:03.510 --> 01:19:10.930 And you know, that's that's yeah, but look I look let me balance what you're saying because I've seen pastors make a mistake 01:19:10.930 --> 01:19:15.230 Where they're just like ultra independent. They don't have any pastor friends 01:19:15.230 --> 01:19:21.850 That's a dumb way to go through life because you need to have a friend group and stuff because then you can team up and do 01:19:21.850 --> 01:19:27.850 Events and you can preach for each other and encourage each other and then they can fill in for your pulpit 01:19:27.850 --> 01:19:32.370 Or you know, you can fill in for them and help each other out and stand up for each other 01:19:32.370 --> 01:19:36.090 like like going through life with no friends is is you know 01:19:36.670 --> 01:19:43.730 Obviously and you need somebody to call like like what about if I'm going through some horrible thing personally like I need that ever happen 01:19:43.730 --> 01:19:51.710 Yeah, I need people that I can pick up the phone and call and and they're not gonna just like judge me or 01:19:52.390 --> 01:19:57.410 You know just like be be just trying to just think about themselves and how's it's gonna affect them 01:19:57.410 --> 01:20:02.670 Somebody who actually cares about me and wants to actually help me and give me good advice 01:20:02.670 --> 01:20:07.670 And you need somebody to give you a pep talk sometimes and you need to give them a pep talk and whatever 01:20:07.670 --> 01:20:10.090 So I do think that friendship is important 01:20:10.090 --> 01:20:16.010 So if I had no friends then I would start taking applications again, but it's just right now 01:20:16.010 --> 01:20:18.090 I just like I just already have a bunch of friends 01:20:18.090 --> 01:20:22.410 I guess I'm just trying to say like if you already have a few friends just lean into those friendships 01:20:22.410 --> 01:20:27.910 I don't I don't need to like chase friendships that I don't have like yeah, you know, obviously I'm a team player 01:20:27.910 --> 01:20:32.910 I mean I really promote the new IFB as much as I can and I bring our friends on our church stuff 01:20:32.910 --> 01:20:36.050 I'm always promoting them. I'm inviting them to do stuff like I 01:20:36.830 --> 01:20:39.910 Try to be the best friend I can but I'm not necessarily like 01:20:40.550 --> 01:20:45.850 Chasing a relationship. I don't want to have or why were Jonathan and David friends like 01:20:46.490 --> 01:20:52.270 Jonathan and David are both kind of the same way because like you have David going up against Goliath 01:20:52.270 --> 01:20:58.790 And then you have Jonathan also just going out and just fighting these these just totally outnumbered him and his armor bearer 01:20:58.790 --> 01:21:01.390 Just just go and just kill a bunch of Philistines 01:21:01.390 --> 01:21:07.790 They're they're kind of the same way and so Jonathan like saw David's exploit and then he's like I want to be friends with 01:21:07.790 --> 01:21:11.250 This guy so then he comes gives him the armor gives him the sword 01:21:11.250 --> 01:21:14.850 You know gives him his clothes off his back and tells them like, you know 01:21:14.850 --> 01:21:20.390 Hey, we're gonna be friends and so that's the way I think a lot of these pastoral friendships start is you know 01:21:20.390 --> 01:21:25.490 You're both doing the same type of stuff and you see each other doing this kind of stuff 01:21:25.490 --> 01:21:29.310 And then you know you reach out to that person and what I mean if I see some pastor 01:21:29.310 --> 01:21:33.110 Just totally kicking butt and doing all this great stuff like yeah, I want to team up with them 01:21:33.110 --> 01:21:37.510 I want to work with them. I mean I case in point pastor stuck me because it's like yeah 01:21:37.510 --> 01:21:40.850 Stucky and I didn't necessarily have that much of a friendship or relationship 01:21:40.850 --> 01:21:45.350 But I just kind of saw it out just because it's like here's somebody doing awesome stuff 01:21:45.350 --> 01:21:47.970 Why wouldn't you want to be friends and now you guys are good friends? 01:21:48.090 --> 01:21:50.710 Yeah, now we're good friends and it wasn't that way initially 01:21:50.710 --> 01:21:56.050 I just did good to him saw to be friendly toward you know man that have friends must show himself friendly 01:21:56.050 --> 01:21:59.650 That's just how it works. So yeah, I think if there's somebody out there 01:21:59.650 --> 01:22:03.310 You just really want to be friends with you could try and pursue it, but it may not work 01:22:03.310 --> 01:22:08.250 It may work. I mean, I've tried to be friends with Pastor Anderson when I was going to his church and whatever 01:22:08.250 --> 01:22:13.850 And I I don't think we were ever like not friends per se, but I would say that our relationship 01:22:14.490 --> 01:22:17.590 was slower at first and it didn't necessarily 01:22:19.090 --> 01:22:25.110 Become like really close and I don't think either of us really did anything to make it close. It just happened 01:22:25.110 --> 01:22:30.970 It just kind of just happens organic pursuing the same things same interests same life 01:22:31.670 --> 01:22:32.910 circumstances and so 01:22:33.450 --> 01:22:38.650 You know, how can I stay friends with people that are stabbing me in the back and preaching against me every single week? 01:22:38.850 --> 01:22:44.270 You know, I don't know, but I guess you know life's too short for that. Does that answer your question? I don't know 01:22:45.730 --> 01:22:46.090 Yep 01:23:30.890 --> 01:23:34.630 I'll try to answer your question. I mean, here's the thing if 01:23:35.470 --> 01:23:38.050 If every time if every time I come home for dinner 01:23:38.050 --> 01:23:44.630 My wife is making me a burger and I want fries with that, you know, I don't I want pancakes 01:23:44.630 --> 01:23:46.910 Yeah, no, no, no, no 01:23:47.530 --> 01:23:51.570 I'm not saying I'm not saying throw the burger in the trash because that sounds queer 01:23:51.570 --> 01:23:56.550 I'm just saying like if if or or hey, I want pickles on it or something 01:23:56.550 --> 01:24:01.590 Then it's kind of my responsibility to communicate that and and you know, I think also 01:24:02.150 --> 01:24:07.310 From a female perspective, maybe they don't feel like they can hey 01:24:07.310 --> 01:24:09.290 This is what I want in my relationship 01:24:09.290 --> 01:24:15.210 But I think as the leader you need to just sit down with your wife and you just communicate exactly what you want 01:24:16.370 --> 01:24:19.910 Just and and then even say hey, what do you want? 01:24:20.190 --> 01:24:25.410 What would you like and and basically just creating an environment where you guys are 01:24:26.350 --> 01:24:33.190 Trying your best to set expectations set the correct expectations and then try to deliver and obviously having realistic 01:24:33.190 --> 01:24:34.390 Expectations is good 01:24:34.910 --> 01:24:40.090 Pastry and some brings up you don't want to be greedy or something like that necessarily but having a healthy 01:24:40.770 --> 01:24:44.670 Balance being really expressive and what you need what you want 01:24:45.350 --> 01:24:48.830 You know, it's your marriage. It's your life like why not, you know 01:24:48.830 --> 01:24:51.890 And if it's I remember with us talking about something else 01:24:51.890 --> 01:24:56.190 But just kind of it's like hey if you're not happy with your relationship or your life 01:24:56.190 --> 01:25:03.050 It's like fix it or or figure out a way to communicate that but don't ever expect your wife to just 01:25:03.850 --> 01:25:08.670 You know, your wife is not it's not like an adult film where she's gonna come and just tell you everything you want to hear 01:25:08.670 --> 01:25:14.450 Something it's like you got to kind of necessarily pay. This is what I want a relationship. This is what I would like 01:25:14.450 --> 01:25:18.670 Obviously, I still would go back to that video and reference the boundaries that I set 01:25:18.670 --> 01:25:20.190 Because I don't think 01:25:20.190 --> 01:25:25.430 There's some things that men are asking that are appropriate or should ever be done 01:25:25.430 --> 01:25:28.170 But you know, obviously within the boundaries of marriage 01:25:28.710 --> 01:25:35.470 Being communicative and and expressing your needs because look our world's full of temptation in this area 01:25:35.470 --> 01:25:38.830 There's a lot of sinful alternatives in in our world 01:25:38.830 --> 01:25:43.990 And I think it's important for men to just be vulnerable with their wife and just say hey 01:25:43.990 --> 01:25:48.170 I this is what I need in our relationship. This is what I would like 01:25:48.670 --> 01:25:52.130 What's going to make you feel comfortable? What's going to work best for you? 01:25:52.950 --> 01:25:56.390 And you know being being a little bit empathetic that like she may 01:25:56.850 --> 01:26:03.210 if she's gone all day with the kids and is stressed out and then you're just kind of like demanding her to 01:26:03.790 --> 01:26:08.490 Be a certain way, you know, that might not set yourself up for success 01:26:08.490 --> 01:26:14.410 You could say hey, let's make a compromise where you can go take a bath or take a break and I'll watch the kids for an hour 01:26:14.410 --> 01:26:18.610 And then you know after your bath then I get what I want 01:26:18.670 --> 01:26:24.770 You know or hey, I'll rub your back and you know, let you relax as long as it doesn't come 01:26:24.770 --> 01:26:31.350 Hey, this is the requirement in order to even I'm not saying that's a requirement. I know you're not I'm just giving a caveat 01:26:31.350 --> 01:26:35.670 I agree with you. Sure. I'm just saying like but at the end of the day 01:26:36.470 --> 01:26:41.770 Since there is an ebb and flow if my wife wants me to do X like she wants me to rub her back 01:26:41.770 --> 01:26:43.270 And then I get what I want 01:26:43.270 --> 01:26:50.030 I think that that's kind of what first Corinthians seven is saying too because it is saying that I am expected to meet her needs physically 01:26:50.030 --> 01:26:56.530 So if she has a physical need and I have a physical need, you know, we should scratch each other's backs as best as we can 01:26:57.370 --> 01:27:05.690 But you know, sometimes it's like hey, it's not going to be a Paris vacation with candlelight dinner and you know, whatever 01:27:05.690 --> 01:27:06.770 rioters outside 01:27:10.150 --> 01:27:11.970 Really romantic but 01:27:13.290 --> 01:27:18.250 Again, I just I just think you know just communicate and look it can feel awkward or whatever 01:27:18.250 --> 01:27:24.530 But I think the more you have conversations the more you're trying to like just be open honest 01:27:24.530 --> 01:27:31.070 The better your communication you get the better this area can get the more you can like understand each other's 01:27:31.070 --> 01:27:32.650 Expectations what's needed? 01:27:33.930 --> 01:27:39.030 You know, I don't think that there's like you said different women have different 01:27:39.670 --> 01:27:47.390 You know layers, you know, if they're really young or old can affect this a lot because hormones can be very different 01:27:48.310 --> 01:27:53.050 When they have kids or not having kids, it's like when my wife is 01:27:53.750 --> 01:27:54.630 you know 01:27:55.390 --> 01:27:55.730 pregnant 01:27:56.470 --> 01:27:59.770 She's her desire level is not there is 01:28:00.310 --> 01:28:06.710 Normally and like other like at other times when she's ovulating and not pregnant. It's really there, you know 01:28:06.710 --> 01:28:09.010 It's just like so that's that's gonna be 01:28:09.630 --> 01:28:13.230 Different, you know, but is it fair to say like oh, I can only 01:28:13.230 --> 01:28:19.210 My needs can only be met and you know this two-week window of our life and then the nine-month period 01:28:19.210 --> 01:28:25.490 I'm just being defrauded like that's insane and anybody that's asking for that in marriage or saying that that's okay 01:28:25.490 --> 01:28:28.930 He's just basically signing themselves out for sin 01:28:28.930 --> 01:28:31.870 But even that is different from person to person because sometimes 01:28:32.450 --> 01:28:34.630 The pregnancy will make the desire go up 01:28:35.150 --> 01:28:40.270 Yeah, it's all over. It's just very unlikely. No, I mean, no, I mean, it's actually extremely common 01:28:40.810 --> 01:28:44.110 So it's sure you never I'm just some air some wind yeah 01:28:44.110 --> 01:28:47.370 And then there's there was like pregnant with a boy and pregnant with a girl 01:28:47.370 --> 01:28:50.090 I mean, I'm just saying like everybody. No, that's true 01:28:50.090 --> 01:28:52.970 There's a lot of difference and and and it's all over the place 01:28:52.970 --> 01:28:57.130 And I agree 100% with what you're saying about you know as a man like 01:28:57.130 --> 01:29:01.070 Communicating expectations and what you want and just expressing yourself 01:29:01.070 --> 01:29:07.850 But also it could be a little bit unrealistic to expect your wife to do that because most women do not 01:29:07.850 --> 01:29:10.270 Communicate directly they don't tell you what they want 01:29:10.270 --> 01:29:15.090 So you kind of have to figure it out yourself just like every other area with women 01:29:15.090 --> 01:29:17.830 You usually have to figure it out, you know yourself 01:29:18.330 --> 01:29:24.090 But you know one thing I would say is that you know when we're getting up and preaching this first Corinthians 7 stuff 01:29:24.090 --> 01:29:26.050 You know, we're not saying 01:29:26.050 --> 01:29:31.870 To force your wife to do something that she doesn't want to do or something because of the fact that 01:29:31.870 --> 01:29:34.450 Obviously like if you love your wife 01:29:34.450 --> 01:29:40.470 You wouldn't want to make her do something that she finds repugnant or repulsive or something 01:29:40.470 --> 01:29:43.910 You know what I mean because like in my opinion like that's 01:29:43.910 --> 01:29:50.810 Unnecessary because you know, we're talking about the fact that you need to be having the physical relationship 01:29:50.810 --> 01:29:56.350 You know, so like if if there's a certain activity that that she doesn't want to do 01:29:56.350 --> 01:30:00.410 Then you just you find something that that you both enjoy, you know, obviously 01:30:00.410 --> 01:30:08.470 But but doing nothing is what we're protesting against. We're protesting against this garbage of just saying oh 01:30:08.970 --> 01:30:13.930 Well, you know, we can just go months or years and whatever or you know 01:30:13.930 --> 01:30:20.410 When in reality the Bible saying that when you know if the husband wants that physical relationship, you know 01:30:20.410 --> 01:30:25.610 He gets it if she wants it she gets it if she wants to do it more often than he does 01:30:25.610 --> 01:30:28.990 Then we need to get on her program if he wants to do it more than she does 01:30:28.990 --> 01:30:36.310 She needs to get on his frequency so that the needs are met. Okay, but that doesn't mean the you know that we can force 01:30:38.010 --> 01:30:42.430 Weird bizarre activities on one another, you know, that's my opinion 01:30:42.430 --> 01:30:45.250 I don't think I don't think that that's the spirit of the law 01:30:45.250 --> 01:30:50.230 The idea is that you're not tempted because you're defrauded or whatever 01:30:50.230 --> 01:30:57.090 But you know, another thing I want to bring up too is the fact that you know greed like it like he alluded to 01:30:57.090 --> 01:31:02.210 Human natures are greedy by nature and we tend to overindulge in everything, you know 01:31:02.210 --> 01:31:07.390 And so, you know, we find a food that we like we eat too much or you know, we you know 01:31:07.390 --> 01:31:11.130 We binge watch the programs over here or whatever. It's just the human nature 01:31:11.130 --> 01:31:17.110 That's how people are and I think that it is possible even in marriage to overindulge, you know 01:31:17.110 --> 01:31:22.450 And so you could have these especially if there's this mentality where you think it's somehow macho 01:31:22.450 --> 01:31:30.430 To somehow just become like some kind of a sexual athlete or something, you know, there's really no point. It's stupid 01:31:30.430 --> 01:31:35.870 Okay, so obviously, you know, you want to if you found honey, you know, no pun intended 01:31:35.870 --> 01:31:41.670 Then, you know, you want to eat as much as is sufficient for you lest you vomit up that morsel 01:31:41.670 --> 01:31:49.530 There's such a thing as too much of a good thing. And so therefore I think that it's it's smart to basically do all things in 01:31:49.530 --> 01:31:55.990 moderation and not to just go crazy and just go overboard or 01:31:55.990 --> 01:32:01.750 To think like well, I'm hearing this preaching. And so even though neither my wife nor I are in the mood 01:32:01.750 --> 01:32:04.710 We're just gonna just we're just gonna just hit it every night 01:32:04.710 --> 01:32:11.130 Just because because we just want to be like so new IFB that we're just like we're just gonna rock this thing 01:32:11.130 --> 01:32:16.730 Every single time. It's like, you know, there's nothing it if not as you get older, too 01:32:16.730 --> 01:32:23.650 You know, you're gonna get less interested in that, you know, and and there's gonna be there's gonna be phases that you go through 01:32:24.570 --> 01:32:26.170 You know, and so it's like 01:32:27.390 --> 01:32:29.210 Obviously the idea is 01:32:29.710 --> 01:32:33.290 You don't want the wife to be hungry and she's not being fed 01:32:33.290 --> 01:32:39.590 You don't want the husband to be hungry and he's not being fed and it's like if the ice cream is a little too vanilla for you 01:32:39.590 --> 01:32:45.630 Well, you know what ice cream is still pretty good, you know, and here's the thing about here's the here's the thing about ice cream 01:32:46.150 --> 01:32:48.370 Even when it's not that good. It's still pretty good 01:32:48.990 --> 01:32:54.070 You know what I mean? Like how many bad ice cream cones have you had in your life, you know 01:32:54.070 --> 01:32:57.810 So again, like I don't think that you necessarily 01:32:57.810 --> 01:33:04.010 Need to just push all the super exotic stuff or try to be some kind of a sexual athlete 01:33:04.010 --> 01:33:11.710 Because at the end of the day, like that is not what our lives are about like obviously we both have other things to do as 01:33:12.390 --> 01:33:17.270 Well, okay, and so but what we don't want to do is to you know 01:33:17.270 --> 01:33:22.410 The Bible says it's better to marry than burn. We don't want to be just burning with this appetite 01:33:22.410 --> 01:33:28.710 You know, we want to get that appetite filled and you know what sometimes we might be super hungry and 01:33:28.710 --> 01:33:34.310 You know, we might need to go several rounds or whatever, you know to get it out of our system Tuesdays, but 01:33:34.870 --> 01:33:39.910 but but but at the same time you don't want to just feel like oh 01:33:39.910 --> 01:33:45.670 I just you know, we just have to just be just just doing this so much or just or you know 01:33:45.670 --> 01:33:48.810 We have to do all these wild exotic now look if you're a man 01:33:48.810 --> 01:33:53.090 And you want to you want to do something wild or exotic then you know what bring it up 01:33:53.090 --> 01:33:59.030 And or just or just do it or whatever and you know see what happens, but yeah 01:33:59.030 --> 01:34:03.230 And some people are graphic and they're acting like you're gonna drive your car without changing the oil 01:34:03.230 --> 01:34:06.710 And it's just like metal on metal or something like obviously that's insane 01:34:06.710 --> 01:34:11.930 We love our lives and we want them to take care of your car. Obviously like that's stupid 01:34:11.930 --> 01:34:15.390 But you know, I'm not gonna get to drive it. I'm yeah 01:34:15.390 --> 01:34:18.250 I'm not gonna just not go to work some day 01:34:18.250 --> 01:34:23.430 You know, it's like get the oil changed because the car doesn't feel like operating. Yeah, it's cold 01:34:23.430 --> 01:34:25.770 It's cold. So you have to it's cold outside 01:34:25.770 --> 01:34:30.110 So you have to warm it up right or you have to scrape the ice off of the you know 01:34:30.110 --> 01:34:32.850 Wind shield or something like that, but I'm not like hey boss 01:34:32.850 --> 01:34:36.050 I can't come to work because I have to run the car a little extra or something 01:34:36.050 --> 01:34:40.250 It's just like hey, you know if I have to go to work then I have to go to work 01:34:40.250 --> 01:34:43.330 You know if they have to put a little more work into it. So it's just like 01:34:44.110 --> 01:34:44.950 Obviously, you know 01:34:45.530 --> 01:34:49.390 To me it's similar to a lot of other areas of life taking your wife to church 01:34:49.390 --> 01:34:56.110 Whatever wife didn't want to come to church. It's like well, you know, try to figure out, you know ways to make it better 01:34:56.110 --> 01:35:01.250 You know try to you know, encourage her to come or you can just pick her up and put her in the car 01:35:01.250 --> 01:35:05.670 You know, but right like if it was this like hey, she's not gonna come at all 01:35:06.050 --> 01:35:09.610 At you know, and I've just had my option of just picking her up and put in the car 01:35:09.610 --> 01:35:12.890 I might do that. I'm not gonna get mad at the guy that does it or whatever 01:35:12.890 --> 01:35:20.010 I've never had to do it. Yeah, it's just it's just it's just everybody's situation is different and I'm sick of these 01:35:20.010 --> 01:35:27.990 Stupid preachers getting up and just being a total white knight and just oh, how dare you and all this dumb crap 01:35:27.990 --> 01:35:32.090 It's like, you know what some women want to be picked up and shoved in the car. It's just that simple 01:35:32.090 --> 01:35:37.990 Okay, and these guys they didn't know it. They're they're they're stupid and naive about the world 01:35:38.510 --> 01:35:44.450 They don't understand why and obviously there this is a obviously this is a pornographic book that I would never 01:35:44.450 --> 01:35:48.130 Recommend in a million years because it's it's it's sinful and wrong 01:35:48.130 --> 01:35:54.550 But there's a reason why 50 shades of gray sold like 50 million copies about 15 years ago 01:35:54.550 --> 01:35:59.670 And obviously like that is a that is wrong and it's ungodly 01:35:59.670 --> 01:36:07.710 But the point is that apparently there's something in British and American women that this book is speaking to 01:36:07.990 --> 01:36:15.190 Okay, and so the and again do not read it. It's trash. That's not the point the point that I'm saying is well 01:36:15.190 --> 01:36:17.650 Let's be honest men weren't picking it up off the show 01:36:17.650 --> 01:36:25.510 No, it was be no, this is this is a book that was read by it was read by women written by a female author and read by 01:36:25.510 --> 01:36:27.190 Tens of millions of women 01:36:28.110 --> 01:36:31.110 Okay in the UK and the United States of America 01:36:31.870 --> 01:36:36.830 You know apparently women are lying about what they actually want apparently, okay 01:36:37.390 --> 01:36:41.130 And and so the women lying. I don't know about that 01:36:41.130 --> 01:36:49.130 The the point is I'm just I'm just saying that you know for a pastor to get up and express these 01:36:50.290 --> 01:36:51.830 absurdly naive ideas 01:36:51.830 --> 01:36:59.130 I'm just wondering like bro like how old are you like are you even married like have you even lived like what the heck 01:36:59.130 --> 01:37:05.530 Or what planet are you from to not understand these things like this is just like a sorry to you know 01:37:05.530 --> 01:37:07.030 I'm not trying to be blunt or anything 01:37:07.030 --> 01:37:13.270 But it's just like to sit there and just think that life is that simple and that women are that simple 01:37:13.270 --> 01:37:16.010 It's like maybe your wife is that way okay great 01:37:16.510 --> 01:37:19.790 But there's tens of millions of other wives who are a different way 01:37:19.790 --> 01:37:23.930 And the bottom line is that you've got to figure out what works for your marriage 01:37:23.930 --> 01:37:27.870 And you know at the end of the day my goal with my love life 01:37:28.490 --> 01:37:29.390 is that 01:37:29.390 --> 01:37:34.410 Number one is obviously what the bible is saying as a minimum requirement 01:37:34.410 --> 01:37:40.350 That i'm not just walking around starving all day burning and lust because i'm not getting you know 01:37:40.970 --> 01:37:43.690 Getting anything at home, okay, that's obviously important 01:37:43.690 --> 01:37:46.650 But number two my biggest goal is that we both 01:37:46.650 --> 01:37:52.370 Have a good time that we're happy that we love each other that basically our relationship is better 01:37:52.990 --> 01:37:58.530 As a result of that time that we spend together and that it's something that we both enjoy like why would here's the thing 01:37:58.530 --> 01:38:00.710 What about every other area of life like 01:38:01.430 --> 01:38:05.030 If I take my wife out to eat is it just like well only I want to have a good time 01:38:05.030 --> 01:38:07.110 And I don't care if she has a good time at all 01:38:07.110 --> 01:38:12.130 I don't care if she likes this restaurant. Why would I want to just take my wife to a restaurant that she hates 01:38:12.770 --> 01:38:14.890 Well, I like I like indian food 01:38:15.410 --> 01:38:16.330 And you know 01:38:16.890 --> 01:38:22.130 And so well she likes it too so I guess but you know like like my wife hates shrimp people are different 01:38:22.130 --> 01:38:28.190 My wife here's the thing my wife hates shrimp. Okay, so guess what she rarely ever cooked shrimp 01:38:28.730 --> 01:38:32.790 In our house because she hates it. I love shrimp. So I you know 01:38:33.570 --> 01:38:37.050 I'll eat at a restaurant shrimp or something, but I'm not just going to be like, you know 01:38:37.550 --> 01:38:41.310 Honey, I'm the boss and and and and you have to obey me 01:38:41.310 --> 01:38:47.450 So therefore I'm going to make you eat shrimp right now just to prove that I'm the boss and and so like 01:38:47.450 --> 01:38:49.670 You have to submit and obey me 01:38:49.670 --> 01:38:52.390 So I'm going to make you eat shrimp even though I know you hate it 01:38:52.390 --> 01:38:58.170 Like here's the thing obviously like that would be kind of just a sadistic thing to do and it just doesn't make any 01:38:58.170 --> 01:39:01.390 Sense. So why would why would I approach the bedroom any differently? 01:39:01.730 --> 01:39:04.970 Why would I approach the bedroom of oh you hate shrimp? Well eat it anyway 01:39:05.610 --> 01:39:10.910 You know, it's just stupid. It doesn't really make sense. You know, obviously you you got to find a way 01:39:11.610 --> 01:39:16.450 To you know to where everybody's happy and everybody's having a good time and there's more than one way to skin a cat 01:39:16.450 --> 01:39:18.610 So, you know, I'm sure you can figure it out 01:39:20.830 --> 01:39:23.010 I will take two more quick questions. Yeah brothers right now 01:39:23.010 --> 01:39:24.810 How do you feel about debating these days? 01:39:25.630 --> 01:39:31.930 I hate debating and I I hate watching debates. I don't participate in debates. I'm not going to 01:39:32.550 --> 01:39:33.030 so 01:39:33.710 --> 01:39:37.830 But I'm not against him doing it like I'm glad I'm glad that he does it 01:39:37.830 --> 01:39:44.090 I'm glad that he does it and and I think it's great to reach a crowd or whatever. I personally have no desire to do that 01:39:44.090 --> 01:39:44.430 so 01:39:46.150 --> 01:39:49.230 I never debated Ken over that was that was just a conversation 01:39:49.870 --> 01:39:54.570 It was a discussion and I and and it took him like two hours to talk me into it 01:39:54.570 --> 01:39:57.030 And finally, I'm just like, well, I don't want to do this 01:39:57.030 --> 01:39:59.430 But because you're my friend and I'm a team player 01:39:59.430 --> 01:40:02.590 I'll do it. Did I say that and I said I won't be nice 01:40:03.150 --> 01:40:07.350 And didn't it and didn't it take like two hours to talk me into it? I didn't know what that meant 01:40:07.350 --> 01:40:14.610 So just to be fair, but didn't it take about two hours probably of convincing? I mean, I think it was beyond just not being nice, but 01:40:14.610 --> 01:40:14.930 Um 01:40:15.530 --> 01:40:20.270 It was probably it was probably more than two hours to be it was probably like multiple discussions 01:40:20.270 --> 01:40:27.070 And I'm like this is not a debate, but I'll I'll chat with him and and tell him tell him where to shove his stupidity 01:40:27.070 --> 01:40:30.090 Whatever. Okay. All right. You you looked like you wanted to say something 01:40:41.860 --> 01:41:09.510 Yeah, yeah like a belly button for example, yeah 01:41:16.570 --> 01:41:19.530 And I don't know how you think about those 01:41:19.530 --> 01:41:24.250 I mean, I just 100% that the entire universe has a parent age 01:41:24.250 --> 01:41:30.250 The craters on the moon the vast majority of them were already on the moon when the create when that when the moon was created 01:41:30.770 --> 01:41:36.750 And so, I mean, I don't really know what your question is because because basically like that's just what I believe and I and I 01:41:37.350 --> 01:41:40.250 I think that there's a zero percent chance that I'm wrong 01:41:40.250 --> 01:41:45.190 So I'm not even open to another view to be honest because there's just so much evidence 01:41:45.710 --> 01:41:50.190 To point to that and that there's it's literally impossible that those craters 01:41:50.790 --> 01:41:53.630 Happened in the last 6,000 years. And so 01:41:54.170 --> 01:41:59.570 Like I just I just believe that the sun is an adult sun the moon is an adult moon 01:42:00.250 --> 01:42:07.830 And that everything in the universe has a parent age and that you know, they they they claim that the sun has like a lifespan of 01:42:07.830 --> 01:42:12.130 10 billion years or something and that it's 4.6 billion years old 01:42:12.130 --> 01:42:17.750 Obviously, I believe that God created everything X knee hello about 6,300 years ago 01:42:17.750 --> 01:42:22.030 But I do but but I don't have any problem with those numbers because I'm just like, okay 01:42:22.030 --> 01:42:27.150 So the sun is in its prime of life just like God created Adam in his prime of life or so 01:42:27.150 --> 01:42:32.590 I mean, I 100% believe in a parent age. I think that young earth creationism 01:42:33.350 --> 01:42:39.910 At per se is totally misguided. I don't believe in a young earth. I believe that God created an old earth 01:42:39.910 --> 01:42:43.510 6,000 years ago just like I don't believe in a young Adam 01:42:44.070 --> 01:42:45.070 This is a old Adam 01:42:45.550 --> 01:42:51.350 That was created five minutes ago. So I I'm not saying I'm mad if people use the term young earth 01:42:51.350 --> 01:42:55.690 I get what they're saying, but I think that people like ken hovind and ken ham 01:42:56.730 --> 01:43:02.230 You know are not real scientists. They don't have real science credentials and I don't agree with 01:43:02.710 --> 01:43:03.850 Most of what they say 01:43:04.550 --> 01:43:06.430 I do think that you know the film 01:43:07.070 --> 01:43:08.470 is Genesis history 01:43:09.050 --> 01:43:12.770 Which is like a lot of real scientists and everything is is a good film 01:43:12.770 --> 01:43:15.690 And I agree with like the vast majority of that film 01:43:15.690 --> 01:43:22.550 But I'm not going to budge on my position on a parent age because it's just like it's a core belief of mine 01:43:23.190 --> 01:43:23.450 so 01:43:24.370 --> 01:43:25.990 Does that answer your question or 01:43:27.310 --> 01:43:28.330 Yeah, what 01:43:29.750 --> 01:43:30.430 What's that 01:43:31.690 --> 01:43:32.210 Yeah 01:43:41.110 --> 01:43:41.750 Yeah 01:43:43.110 --> 01:43:54.590 Yeah, you know, I I think unfortunately it's impossible 01:43:55.450 --> 01:43:58.250 In most cases unless you just live in some giant 01:43:58.250 --> 01:44:04.230 Manor or mansion or something because like I mean especially when when my wife and I 01:44:04.230 --> 01:44:08.250 had like 10 kids and we were living in a 01:44:08.790 --> 01:44:15.610 1200 square foot house with 12 people in 1200 square feet like I don't see how you can really shield them from 01:44:16.310 --> 01:44:17.790 From much, you know 01:44:17.790 --> 01:44:22.670 So like if you're wealthy and have this you can just put them in a different wing of the manner 01:44:23.210 --> 01:44:29.290 While you have those conversations, but I you know, obviously we all try to shelter our kids from these things 01:44:29.290 --> 01:44:31.990 but at the end of the day sometimes it's kind of just 01:44:32.670 --> 01:44:36.950 It's kind of a fool's errand. Unfortunately, like I wish that we all had that giant 01:44:37.470 --> 01:44:39.170 You know a massive 01:44:39.850 --> 01:44:41.090 campus of a 01:44:41.090 --> 01:44:47.750 Of a house or that we could just put them far away so that we could have those conversations and things and 01:44:47.750 --> 01:44:50.030 Now, you know, I live in a bigger house now 01:44:50.810 --> 01:44:57.890 Thankfully and so now now I'm living with like nine people in a you know, like I don't I think my house is like 01:44:58.390 --> 01:45:00.550 2300 square feet or something with nine people 01:45:00.550 --> 01:45:04.350 So it's like it's a little easier to segregate especially because we can be in the basement 01:45:04.970 --> 01:45:08.890 And then there's the first floor second floor so you can put some distance there, but like 01:45:09.370 --> 01:45:09.770 you know 01:45:10.490 --> 01:45:12.410 Some people just live in a small house 01:45:12.410 --> 01:45:12.950 so 01:45:13.730 --> 01:45:17.290 I don't think it's a failure when parents fight in front of their children 01:45:17.290 --> 01:45:20.850 I think it's a failure when those kids decide to be like ham 01:45:21.510 --> 01:45:24.390 and go broadcasting their parents business to the world 01:45:25.030 --> 01:45:31.350 And just totally violate the privacy of their home and dishonor their parents by repeating 01:45:31.350 --> 01:45:34.050 Something that they heard in a fight or even worse 01:45:34.050 --> 01:45:39.550 Making up crap that their parents didn't even say and exaggerating and twisting things 01:45:39.550 --> 01:45:41.890 And so I don't think it's the parents responsibility 01:45:42.390 --> 01:45:44.270 To shelter the kids from everything 01:45:44.270 --> 01:45:50.930 I think it's the kids responsibility to understand that you don't go blabbing about everything that happens in your house 01:45:51.510 --> 01:45:53.730 And you know and by the way the same thing goes 01:45:53.730 --> 01:45:58.910 You know husbands should never be talking crap about their wives wives shouldn't be talking crap about their husbands 01:45:58.910 --> 01:46:02.890 like there's certain things that you just keep to yourself and and and you just 01:46:03.410 --> 01:46:04.970 Don't violate the privacy 01:46:06.270 --> 01:46:09.730 I don't I would probably agree with everything you said and I would just add 01:46:09.730 --> 01:46:11.750 the fact that I don't think that 01:46:12.550 --> 01:46:16.450 There's a right or wrong. So I don't I don't personally believe there's a right or wrong 01:46:17.110 --> 01:46:20.330 I I would say that I would almost lean 01:46:20.890 --> 01:46:28.110 Probably in a direction different than most that would say that it's probably good for your children to observe some 01:46:29.010 --> 01:46:30.690 Confrontation in your marriage 01:46:31.250 --> 01:46:34.410 Because then they get to see healthy conflict resolution 01:46:34.910 --> 01:46:39.010 I think if if a child was truly in the other wing of the manner 01:46:39.850 --> 01:46:45.450 And and never saw mom and dad argue that it could it could cause them to 01:46:45.930 --> 01:46:51.330 Have unrealistic ideas about marriage unrealistic ideas about human nature 01:46:52.090 --> 01:46:55.230 That when them when something doesn't go their way 01:46:55.230 --> 01:47:01.690 They now have no idea like how does someone even resolve a conflict? How does someone even 01:47:02.750 --> 01:47:04.050 Deescalate a situation 01:47:04.890 --> 01:47:08.830 You know in some sometimes it would like I would think ideally 01:47:09.550 --> 01:47:15.470 Minor fights they get to observe these good patterns and the big ones. Maybe my kids don't see or something, but 01:47:16.210 --> 01:47:18.410 That's not real in my life and 01:47:19.050 --> 01:47:21.410 I can think of like my parents specifically 01:47:22.070 --> 01:47:22.530 Um 01:47:22.530 --> 01:47:24.270 And I'm not trying to shame them 01:47:24.270 --> 01:47:29.970 I don't think they would care that I'd share this but they had some pretty ugly fights sometimes where even 01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:37.190 One of the parties was basically threatening divorce or just like just really crazy extreme things that 01:47:37.190 --> 01:47:42.370 Are really awful and as a child. I remember not really understanding how to like 01:47:43.210 --> 01:47:43.670 um 01:47:44.930 --> 01:47:48.910 Deal with that like I'm thinking like what the heck are my parents going to get divorced because as a kid 01:47:48.910 --> 01:47:50.810 You hear something you might just think it's real 01:47:51.530 --> 01:47:52.010 But 01:47:52.510 --> 01:47:58.290 Having seen my parents do this vicious cycle of having just explosive fights and I was present 01:47:58.290 --> 01:48:04.370 And then they're fine and making up and going on a date friday. I started realizing like women say dumb crap 01:48:05.490 --> 01:48:11.030 And um, then I told john that on the phone. It was recorded and then just put it on a movie, but uh 01:48:11.510 --> 01:48:13.230 But but see here's the thing 01:48:13.850 --> 01:48:16.810 I I would you like, okay, could you go back in time and be like 01:48:16.810 --> 01:48:22.890 Maybe it was bad for this kid to have these thoughts and be afraid of his parents divorcing or something because he saw that 01:48:22.890 --> 01:48:25.870 But what ended up helping me realize is like hey 01:48:26.630 --> 01:48:31.950 When I'm in a relationship and when I'm actually married, maybe my wife says something that she doesn't really mean 01:48:31.950 --> 01:48:36.410 You can come back from and that it's not maybe it's not even necessarily that real 01:48:36.410 --> 01:48:41.810 It's that when people are angry or upset. They lose control. They say dumb things 01:48:41.810 --> 01:48:45.910 They do dumb things and and it's not necessarily who they are as a person 01:48:46.510 --> 01:48:49.810 And so we don't want to necessarily like demonize someone 01:48:50.390 --> 01:48:55.370 For every single thing thing they say or do in a fight and so so like was it even harmful 01:48:55.930 --> 01:48:58.930 That I went through that experience. I would say probably not 01:48:59.470 --> 01:49:04.110 I think that might have even been beneficial. Exactly. I think that kids in general 01:49:04.690 --> 01:49:05.190 you know 01:49:05.890 --> 01:49:10.190 They're going to take the bad parts of your life and they're going to use them for good if they're a good kid 01:49:10.830 --> 01:49:14.230 And and and like if they're a bad kid, they're going to exploit them 01:49:14.230 --> 01:49:18.310 And I don't think that it's it's really like you screwed up as a parent 01:49:18.310 --> 01:49:22.250 I think that the kid is going to have to take personal responsibility for themselves 01:49:22.850 --> 01:49:30.570 And you know, obviously like, you know, if there was actual physical violence in the home or kids were feeling completely unsafe or like 01:49:30.570 --> 01:49:36.990 You're screaming horrible awful things at each other on a regular basis like that is unhealthy that should not be happening 01:49:36.990 --> 01:49:42.450 You'd want to sit your kids down and explain like hey dad shouldn't have said that or mom shouldn't have said that or we're sorry 01:49:42.990 --> 01:49:49.290 You know, if there was a mistake, but like, you know, if it's just yelled at each other or whatever you cussed at each other 01:49:49.290 --> 01:49:53.290 You know, I'm not going to be pastor Jimenez and say you're not a Christian now or something 01:49:53.830 --> 01:49:57.250 Um, you know, he he gave really bad marriage advice consistently 01:49:57.790 --> 01:50:01.450 And acted like they don't fight he acted like if you ever cuss at home, you're bad 01:50:01.450 --> 01:50:05.870 Sandra says if you cuss you're you're close to like strangling or killing your your your spouse or something 01:50:05.870 --> 01:50:08.250 Like a lot of this stuff is just unrealistic for most people 01:50:08.770 --> 01:50:13.350 Unless you're a holier than now or fake like you're probably going to have fights. You're probably going to have disagreements 01:50:13.350 --> 01:50:16.330 It's not ideal. You should you should try not to 01:50:17.190 --> 01:50:20.570 But at the end of the day, like I don't think you should beat yourself up for it 01:50:20.570 --> 01:50:21.530 you know 01:50:23.110 --> 01:50:27.310 Constantly affirming your love towards your children and your wife is going to be about the best you can do 01:50:27.730 --> 01:50:30.730 And you know, since it's not there's nothing in the bible really 01:50:31.290 --> 01:50:34.890 The like that addresses this then I think there's liberty and freedom. I mean 01:50:35.410 --> 01:50:43.210 Zepora is throwing a bloody, you know skin at her husband. Like that's a pretty rough fight, you know, or whatever 01:50:43.210 --> 01:50:44.770 I don't know what happened with the kids 01:50:45.830 --> 01:50:48.550 Well, all the kids were dead at that point, so 01:50:52.090 --> 01:50:56.350 They're up in heaven like they weren't they weren't a different wing of the manner during that fight 01:50:57.550 --> 01:50:58.450 but uh 01:50:59.410 --> 01:51:01.650 Yeah, obviously fights are going to happen 01:51:02.130 --> 01:51:07.530 Tensions are going to be high, you know, that's just life, you know people to act like that doesn't happen 01:51:07.530 --> 01:51:08.970 you know 01:51:10.650 --> 01:51:14.450 It's stupid in my opinion if you're not fighting with your spouse ever 01:51:15.070 --> 01:51:16.750 It's kind of for a few reasons 01:51:17.330 --> 01:51:21.770 It's either a you just both have checked out of the marriage and you don't care enough to fight 01:51:22.370 --> 01:51:26.590 Or b one person is just doing what the other person wants every time 01:51:26.590 --> 01:51:30.930 So you could have a wife that's kind of a doormat and she's just going to do whatever her husband says 01:51:30.930 --> 01:51:33.590 No matter what and doesn't kind of put up a fight and there's no fighting 01:51:33.590 --> 01:51:39.070 You could have a husband that's a doormat and he does whatever Cassandra and Merchie tells him to do and so 01:51:39.070 --> 01:51:45.010 You could you could have a scenario where there's no real fighting, but I think in a healthy marriage 01:51:45.550 --> 01:51:49.250 There will be friction. There will be disagreement. There will be 01:51:49.250 --> 01:51:55.330 Say that there were let's just say that there were a marriage where it's just like they just have this great marriage 01:51:55.890 --> 01:51:59.830 No fighting no problems. It's just awesome and everything's just perfect 01:51:59.830 --> 01:52:01.690 Like it's just not really helpful 01:52:02.250 --> 01:52:07.450 To get up and brag about that because it's just like okay. Well, how does that help everybody else? 01:52:08.430 --> 01:52:13.630 Especially as a pastor like we're not up here just like hey everybody look how cool we are 01:52:13.630 --> 01:52:20.290 It's more like how can we help you with your fricked up mess of a situation because let's face it 01:52:20.830 --> 01:52:22.710 Most people are messed up 01:52:23.390 --> 01:52:26.750 Period like most marriages are messed up most people are messed up 01:52:26.750 --> 01:52:31.070 Like it's just we just live in this fallen world full of sinners. So it's like 01:52:31.510 --> 01:52:35.010 Getting up and just saying like oh, it's so great 01:52:35.010 --> 01:52:37.950 You guys the nfb just act like these things are normal 01:52:37.950 --> 01:52:41.550 The reason that we're the reason that we're acting like it's normal to fight and stuff 01:52:41.550 --> 01:52:45.010 Is we're trying to make people feel better about themselves. Like that's what they don't understand 01:52:45.010 --> 01:52:50.770 Like they think we're oh you guys are like, it's normal. It's not normal. We never fight. It's not 01:52:50.770 --> 01:52:54.910 It's like bro. We're trying to make people feel better about their fricked up situation 01:52:56.170 --> 01:53:01.810 So maybe we're even exaggerating a little bit because we just want to make you feel better because here's the thing 01:53:01.810 --> 01:53:07.550 We don't want you abandoning your marriage because you're just like oh my marriage is so far gone. I can't fix it 01:53:07.550 --> 01:53:12.790 We're just like hey, it's normal. It's just a flesh wound. Just you know, like i'm just saying like 01:53:13.690 --> 01:53:16.710 Do you like why would we want to like magnify? 01:53:17.870 --> 01:53:20.050 Yeah, people say we want to downplay 01:53:20.050 --> 01:53:20.670 Yeah 01:53:21.270 --> 01:53:25.230 You know what I mean, but why because we want people to stay married. That's why that's our motive 01:53:25.770 --> 01:53:28.350 That's what we're doing. Yeah, and again, it's just 01:53:29.230 --> 01:53:31.830 Obviously, I guess it's theoretically possible 01:53:31.830 --> 01:53:36.850 But it's just not very realistic that that's going to ever be the scenario and if you're that person 01:53:36.850 --> 01:53:40.250 You don't even need this advice anyway. So, you know, just you can check out and just ignore it 01:53:40.250 --> 01:53:44.070 Yeah, just ignore everything that we say but for for the 99 of us 01:53:44.070 --> 01:53:48.790 You know, we're gonna have conflict and that's okay and it's okay to like have 01:53:48.790 --> 01:53:53.310 You know disagreements fights that's going to happen in a normal course of of relationship 01:53:53.310 --> 01:53:58.210 I think I mean even me and you yell at each other on the phone about doctrines. It's kind of one way, but you know, sure 01:53:58.210 --> 01:54:02.850 Yeah, exactly, but i'm saying like like have I ever cussed you out? 01:54:03.350 --> 01:54:04.430 I don't know, but 01:54:05.390 --> 01:54:06.870 I've definitely cussed you out 01:54:09.490 --> 01:54:12.570 But at the end of the day, but i'm saying the point is 01:54:13.110 --> 01:54:13.510 like 01:54:14.310 --> 01:54:20.630 Just because you have a disagreement or conflict or whatever I could have another friend that I never 01:54:21.470 --> 01:54:27.830 Got in a in a in a fight with or argued with that's a lesser of a friend. Yeah, right 01:54:28.370 --> 01:54:31.410 So that's kind of like it's like it's like, oh, you know 01:54:31.410 --> 01:54:33.630 It's so wonderful. We just never fight 01:54:33.630 --> 01:54:37.670 Well, I could name some pastors that I never fight with because I just don't really talk to them that much 01:54:37.670 --> 01:54:39.110 But that goes back to my previous point 01:54:39.530 --> 01:54:42.230 And again, I went to a non-denom church 01:54:42.790 --> 01:54:46.170 We had a couple that was in our like life group or whatever 01:54:46.790 --> 01:54:51.010 And they would constantly say we've never fought this has been married for five years 01:54:51.010 --> 01:54:55.890 They'd never fought a single time and then it's like a year later. They're divorced. Yeah, and so, you know, it's just like 01:54:55.890 --> 01:54:59.950 Oh, mr. Perfect marriage over here now mortal sin. It's like 01:54:59.950 --> 01:55:04.890 Who now believes that pastor of men is just has the most picture perfect marriage on the planet 01:55:04.890 --> 01:55:06.950 Like I don't think anybody really believes that anymore 01:55:07.930 --> 01:55:14.130 So, you know, even if that hypothetical exists most of the time when people are saying that it falls in the categories 01:55:14.130 --> 01:55:19.170 I'm describing where either a I agree with you. Yeah, you know, it's it's kind of like they've fallen out of love with each other 01:55:19.170 --> 01:55:21.410 They're not really passionate in the relationship 01:55:21.410 --> 01:55:24.610 Or one's kind of a doormat and the problem with a doormat 01:55:24.610 --> 01:55:30.630 Is that person may either explode or leave and so because they're not they're not dealing with the conflict 01:55:30.630 --> 01:55:35.710 So, you know, it's better to have a wife that you're dealing with the conflict rather than just like her 01:55:35.710 --> 01:55:41.410 Hiding it for years and then just doing something crazy or exploding or something 01:55:41.910 --> 01:55:46.130 So so don't look at it like oh my wife and I fight a lot. Well, you're just resolving issues often 01:55:46.130 --> 01:55:50.970 So, you know, it could be dangerous if if you're never fighting 01:55:51.550 --> 01:55:54.810 If she's actually not really happy like if she was happy 01:55:55.270 --> 01:55:58.670 Then okay, but it's just you want to be careful that she's not just like 01:55:58.670 --> 01:56:04.170 Bottling it all in like I was talking to a doctor and he said if somebody's sick all the time then that's bad 01:56:04.730 --> 01:56:08.050 But if somebody just like is never getting sick then that's also 01:56:08.050 --> 01:56:11.690 Sometimes a sign that something's weird is going on with their immune system 01:56:11.690 --> 01:56:15.750 It could also be bad like because you're supposed to get sick every once in a while 01:56:15.750 --> 01:56:21.230 Like I'm at least a little cold or flu or whatever, you know, so it's just it's just and again 01:56:21.230 --> 01:56:25.870 I keep saying this and I said it in my sermon and I'm saying it again now like 01:56:26.350 --> 01:56:27.970 Every situation is different 01:56:28.480 --> 01:56:34.510 You cannot expect your situation to look like my situation his situation someone else's situation 01:56:35.030 --> 01:56:38.090 You know, you just have to understand every situation is unique 01:56:38.690 --> 01:56:42.570 And so, you know, maybe your marriage has a lot of fighting. Maybe it has a little fighting 01:56:43.160 --> 01:56:45.460 But either way it doesn't mean that it's like 01:56:46.650 --> 01:56:50.670 Bad or you know, it's doomed or something, you know, yeah 01:56:50.670 --> 01:56:55.070 I think one other helpful thing we talked about the other day is and I was thinking about this 01:56:55.070 --> 01:56:57.950 I was like if my wife and I 01:56:57.950 --> 01:57:00.010 Didn't have any kids right now 01:57:00.010 --> 01:57:05.030 Like we had zero kids and like I just came home and she's been just 01:57:05.030 --> 01:57:11.130 Doing her nails and just you know taking a shower and sleeping in like we probably would never fight 01:57:11.130 --> 01:57:12.890 Like we probably have like zero fights 01:57:12.890 --> 01:57:19.530 But it's just like having you know watching seven kids that just destroy the house and are sick and coughing on her 01:57:19.530 --> 01:57:21.930 And she didn't get sleep and they're vomiting and whatever like 01:57:21.930 --> 01:57:26.470 She's just so stressed to the max that you know, like we have a lot of conflict sometimes 01:57:26.470 --> 01:57:30.630 That has nothing to do with our marriage. It has everything to do with just life circumstance 01:57:31.410 --> 01:57:35.070 And so like, you know, we we don't want to necessarily 01:57:36.930 --> 01:57:39.330 Think more negatively about our situation 01:57:40.250 --> 01:57:45.450 You know, then it then is reality in the sense that like hey, we're just in a difficult situation 01:57:46.030 --> 01:57:50.030 And so we're kind of fighting a little bit. It's just like when everything's on cloud nine 01:57:50.030 --> 01:57:51.310 There's not that much fighting 01:57:51.870 --> 01:57:56.810 But it's like whenever there's money problems physical problems sleep problems 01:57:56.810 --> 01:58:01.270 I mean, I was talking to him about a sermon like david being mad at at nape 01:58:01.270 --> 01:58:05.370 Nape ball might have been just him being angry, you know, because he's just like hungry or whatever 01:58:05.370 --> 01:58:06.910 And it's just like hey 01:58:07.570 --> 01:58:11.370 Sometimes your wife's fighting with you because she's hungry like it's just like literal 01:58:11.370 --> 01:58:12.190 So, you know 01:58:12.190 --> 01:58:17.550 Like food is a big food is a big fight for most couples like where you're gonna eat 01:58:17.550 --> 01:58:20.350 Like what you're gonna get if they screw up the order 01:58:20.350 --> 01:58:24.490 Like I always triple check the bag for her food because I'm just like 01:58:24.490 --> 01:58:30.170 If my food's if mine screwed up, it doesn't even matter like I'll I'll I'll miss the meal, you know 01:58:30.170 --> 01:58:35.090 But it's like don't screw up her order, you know, it's just like that is a no no 01:58:35.090 --> 01:58:39.630 So, you know, again, don't don't like think like, oh, we're fighting a lot 01:58:39.630 --> 01:58:43.210 But we're in a difficult season of life with all these kids and all these stressors 01:58:43.210 --> 01:58:44.530 It's just like that's 01:58:44.530 --> 01:58:46.870 That's probably just par for the course and things will get better later 01:58:46.870 --> 01:58:50.270 It's like I answered the question earlier like things will get better 01:58:50.750 --> 01:58:52.450 Down the road, you know 01:58:53.070 --> 01:58:53.450 so 01:58:54.230 --> 01:58:57.970 You can't people have this tendency to think like oh my situation's hard right now 01:58:57.970 --> 01:59:02.430 It's just it's just always going to be like this. I just can't do this for another 10 years 01:59:02.430 --> 01:59:04.150 I can't do this for another 30 years 01:59:04.150 --> 01:59:06.670 It's like you don't know if you're gonna have to for 30 years because 01:59:06.670 --> 01:59:08.510 You don't know what a day is going to bring for it 01:59:08.510 --> 01:59:14.070 You just do it for one more day get through one more week grind it out and you know, you never know 01:59:14.070 --> 01:59:14.630 So 01:59:15.310 --> 01:59:16.970 You should probably wrap it up though, huh? 01:59:17.530 --> 01:59:19.450 Thanks. Thanks guys for coming 01:59:19.990 --> 01:59:26.150 Um, thanks for being here make sure to thank pastor Anderson for being here. Yeah, my pleasure. I'll see you guys tomorrow too 01:59:26.150 --> 01:59:27.330 I'm gonna take off